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21Rates - Page 2 Empty Re: Rates Mon Mar 11 2013, 15:50

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I don't know the percentages any more but you might well be surprised how little the Council Tax income contributes towards the actual total spend of a council.

These days probably two thirds (maybe more) of the income that Council's spend comes directly from the central Government - the money that we pay in Taxes (Income Tax, VAT, etc).

All Business Rates collected by Council's are given to Central Government - who in turn determine how much of it is given back to the Council's based on some extremely complicated calculations.

As for Council expenditure, again I don't know the current percentages but it used to be something like two thirds of it was spent on education, and a further 20 odd percent on Social Services, the rest being spread across refuse collection and disposal, Highways, Housing, etc, etc.

Probably the biggest problems many councils face is the massive boom in demand for education and social care provision that as been experienced over the last half dozen years or so from the influx of economic immigrants, particularly from eastern Europe. Councils are legally obligated to provide these services to these visitors to our shores even though they may have paid little if anything into the economic 'pot' through taxes or previous payments of Council Tax.

The problem is further exacerbated by Central Government persistently understating Council's populations (particularly those of the new migrants) and thus significantly under calculating its majority funding to the Town Hall coffers - hence the necessity of cuts in service elsewhere to fund the growth in demand in key areas such as education.

Many Councils have appealed the Governments calculated population figures for their boroughs by simply showing them the number of people in their areas registered with the local GP's.

I'm not saying that authorities are efficient - they are not - but not all the problems are of their own making.

22Rates - Page 2 Empty Re: Rates Mon Mar 11 2013, 19:11

NickFazer

NickFazer
El Hadji Diouf
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Reebok Trotter wrote:
NickFazer wrote:Not too worried this year Salford's ruling communist / socialist / uselessist junta decreed a freeze for this year. More of this and I might have to reconsider my opinion of Labour run councils.


Thought about it now, this is just a blip, I was over reacting.

I was amazed that the folk of Salford voted Hazel Blears back in after the expenses scandal. Her publicity stunt where she wrote out a cheque for £13,000 should have consigned her to political history once and for all.

I know, she got caught with her hand in the till, then made a grand gesture of giving back the money in a blaze of publicity, tried to make it appear as if she was doing us all a favour and she still got in. To be honest they could stick a red rosette on a donkey and it would get elected, would probably be an improvement as well!!!

23Rates - Page 2 Empty Re: Rates Mon Mar 11 2013, 22:48

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Natasha Whittam wrote:
Reebok_Rebel wrote:

Where do you have me down as a Labour lover?

Yes, I have a history of voting Labour but they have also moved away from their socialist roots in to 'New Labour' - just glorified Tories who are prepared to give the less well off a little more - but that's the only difference.

At least Labour invested a lot of it in the public services.

These Tory cunts are simply taking more and giving us less, telling us we need to economize, taking more off us with various other dubious taxes - all the while giving themselves massive pay rises.

They're doing nothing Labour wouldn't have done in the same position. I don't agree with a lot of the stuff the Tories are doing, but only time will tell whether it works.

And I wasn't aware MPs had given themselves a massive payrise, I'm pretty sure the Daily Mail would have been screaming that story from the rooftops.

Regardless, this is a thread about Council Tax. What is your issue with it? How could it be done better?

Yep it is 33% pay-rise they are giving themselves. the day it was announced was the same day that they also announced various cuts to the benefits system - so they hid it!

This is the story that leaked the beginning of the pay rise
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20978487


With regards to local councils and education - 5 secondary modern high schools in Bolton converted to Academy's and came out of the local educational system in the last couple of years, and a few primary schools attached to them as well - so this has saved the council millions and yet the Council Tax has risen!!!

24Rates - Page 2 Empty Re: Rates Mon Mar 11 2013, 22:53

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

The 32% pay rise has been put on the back burner because of austerity measures. There was a later report which suggested they had agreed to award themselves a 9% pay rise. I did post this in an earlier thread a few weeks ago but I can't find it. This site is getting too busy to go back and find previous posts!

25Rates - Page 2 Empty Re: Rates Mon Mar 11 2013, 22:56

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Reebok Trotter wrote:This site is getting too busy to go back and find previous posts!

Tell me about it - a possible "badger" cull due?

26Rates - Page 2 Empty Re: Rates Mon Mar 11 2013, 23:00

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I think it is down to the ' Behind Enemy Lines ' series plus the Chatbox feature for the all of our ex-pats. The Mods are quite tolerant which does make things a lot more laid back. Nothing worse than a Forum where you feel like a naughty schoolboy for being chastised for speaking out of turn.

27Rates - Page 2 Empty Re: Rates Mon Mar 11 2013, 23:13

bwfc71

bwfc71
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Reebok Trotter wrote:I think it is down to the ' Behind Enemy Lines ' series plus the Chatbox feature for the all of our ex-pats. The Mods are quite tolerant which does make things a lot more laid back. Nothing worse than a Forum where you feel like a naughty schoolboy for being chastised for speaking out of turn.

I was joking, of course! I like it now that it has become this busy, although it was good before, its just even better now!

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