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1Sir Bradley Wiggins breaks world record! Empty Sir Bradley Wiggins breaks world record! on Sun Jun 07 2015, 19:36

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Just caught the last 5 mins on Sky. Bradley had broke the world record for longest distance covers in one hour. Broke it quite easily too.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Napoleon, or so the story goes, was asked what he looked for in a general and he replied - are they lucky!

Well Wiggins most certainly is!

I'm not knocking his achievements but he's one of these people who just seems to be lucky at the right time.

He wasn't the best rider when he won the Tour (Froome was), he wasn't the best Time Trialist when he won Olympic Gold in 2012 (but the two better than him were injured or crashed) and even the hour record had not been raced due to cycling politics for the last decade or so until this year!

Many cyclists who have been better than Wiggins have not won half the stuff he has, simply because luck as not smiled on them in the same way as it as for Wiggo.

Of couse you can only beat those who are there on the day (or in the case of Froome - had to obey team orders) - so fair play to Bradley but the hour record he set - although a decent one will most likely fall to Martin, Cancellera, or Dowsett probably within the next twelve months.

History will however show that he's in the record books and many, many others are not!

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
So your green eyed monster has reared it's head today sluffs?
Personally I thought that was a pretty awesome performance today and it was down to his own focus and effort, how can you throw a bucket of water on what he did today for whatever reason, luck or not?

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
He beat the record by nearly a mile and he took the hard route instead of opting to do it in Mexico where the altitude would have been to his advantage. Credit where it's due.

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:Napoleon, or so the story goes, was asked what he looked for in a general and he replied - are they lucky!  

Well Wiggins most certainly is!

I'm not knocking his achievements but he's one of these people who just seems to be lucky at the right time.

He wasn't the best rider when he won the Tour (Froome was), he wasn't the best Time Trialist when he won Olympic Gold in 2012 (but the two better than him were injured or crashed) and even the hour record had not been raced due to cycling politics for the last decade or so until this year!

Many cyclists who have been better than Wiggins have not won half the stuff he has, simply because luck as not smiled on them in the same way as it as for Wiggo.

Of couse you can only beat those who are there on the day (or in the case of Froome - had to obey team orders) - so fair play to Bradley but the hour record he set - although a decent one will most likely fall to Martin, Cancellera, or Dowsett probably within the next twelve months.

History will however show that he's in the record books and many, many others are not!


You know your cycling Sluffy but Wiggo was racing against the clock and he has now set the benchmark. I always though Ovett was better than Coe but the record books show otherwise.

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I'm with your last remark there RT. Coe has always been an attention seeking twat, he was even toadying today.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Can't say I'm that bothered.  More impressed by this.

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
That's disgusting Bonce!

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Many people react in a similar way to Brucie. Shocked

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@Soul Kitchen wrote:So your green eyed monster has reared it's head today sluffs?
Personally I thought that was a pretty awesome performance today and it was down to his own focus and effort, how can you throw a bucket of water on what he did today for whatever reason, luck or not?

Not really sure what you mean?

I'm not jealous about Wiggins, why would you think that?

What I've stated above are facts - not opinions - check them out if you don't believe me.

Wiggins record today may look good to those who don't know much about the sport but Wiggins even fell short of his own target he set for himself and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if one or more of the three cyclists I mentioned break it within the next twelve months or so.

He's both a world and Olympic champion, Tour winner and a knight, so he's obviously done well - all I'm saying is that he was in the right place at the right time and not necessarily the best rider of his generation as some may think.

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
He's a four time Olympic champion, won the Tour de France, reigning World and British Champion. And now world record holder for distance travelled in one hour.

Copper Dragon

Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@BoltonTillIDie wrote:He's a four time Olympic champion, won the Tour de France, reigning World and British Champion. And now world record holder for distance travelled in one hour.


Yes but he's crap compared to others.  Very Happy

Sluffy

Sluffy
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His records are indeed the headlines but to understand them fully you need to understand the story's behind them.

For instance Tony Martin won the World Time Trial Championship (the same competition Wiggins won Olympic gold in 2012) in 2011, 2012 and 2013 - however just three weeks before the Olympics he broke his wrist!

In the Tour (Stage 11 of 20) Froome was ordered to stop so that Wiggins could stay with him - the animosity between the two stems from there are the previous years Tour of Spain where the same thing happened and cost Froome the title by just 13 seconds - Wiggins finishing over a minute further behind in third place.

It was clear that Froome was the better rider of the two (he went on to win the Tour de France the very next year in 2013) but was contracted at the time to ride for Wiggins in the 2012 race.




Wiggins career as certainly been blessed more than most.

The headlines do indeed paint a story of success for him but the storys behind them show how things could very easily have been completely different.

Would Wiggins have become have become the nations hero and become a 'Sir' if he had not won the Tour and Olympics in 2012?

I some how doubt it and if Martin hadn't broken his wrist or Sky had given Froome the green light to go (and become new team leader) then he almost certainly would have not won either.

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:Can't say I'm that bothered.  More impressed by this.

Impressive as this is, surely the record for worms eaten should be based on weight rather than number as the worms are different sizes?

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I suppose so. But I'm not gonna argue about worms. Very Happy

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Sluffy, I know what you mean about right place right time, The Beatles bear that out, but I fail to see how you can admonish his efforts so simply by saying you need to know the sport! Sorry , but that is my opinion.

Guest


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Are you a big cycling fan too SK?

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@Soul Kitchen wrote:Sluffy, I know what you mean about right place right time, The Beatles bear that out, but I fail to see how you can admonish his efforts so simply by saying you need to know the sport! Sorry , but that is my opinion.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion and no matter what I say it will ever change the fact that Wiggins is in the history books as the winner of all those titles he has but if you blatently disregard the context of the events leading up to those victorys then you might as well tell me that in your opinion the moon is made out of cheese - as you are entitled to hold that opinion even in the face of all the facts showing that it isn't!

A few facts - check them out if you like.

In 2012 Wiggins won the Olympic Mens Time Trial - well done Bradley.

However in 2011 Tony Martin won the World Championship Mens Time Trial (beating Wiggins by 1 minute 16 seconds).

That may not sound like a great deal but the man who finished in third was just 5 seconds behind Wiggins and the one who finished fourth 15 seconds behind Wiggins.

In 2012 Martin won it again (the race was held in September).  Wiggins did not race.

In 2013 Martin again won it.  Again he beat Wiggins who finished second to him - this time by 46 seconds (the man who finished third was just 2 seconds slower than Wiggins).


So Martin had the clear beating of Wiggins in the year before the Olympics and the clear beating of him in the year after the Olympics - so why did Wiggins win in London?

Five weeks before the event Martin broke his wrist.

He did race and did finish second to Wiggins by 40 seconds.

Would he had won if he hadn't broke his wrist?

All I can say is that he beat Wiggins when he was fully fit in the year before London and the year after London.

Martin did go on to win the World Championship seven weeks after the Olympics and almost three months after he boke his wrist.

I believe (and I'm far from being the only person to think this) that a fully fit Martin would have won the Olympic gold in front of Wiggins.

But it was Martin's misfortune - and Wiggins good luck - that Martin was not fully fit on the day.


I could equally go into background detail as to the 'luck' Wiggins had that Froome was not permitted to race him in the 2012 Tour de France - (think formula 1 drivers on the same team under team orders not to overtake each other) - otherwise he would not have won that either.

If Wiggins had not won the Tour nor the Olympic gold it would be unlikely to have been knighted!

Now if that isn't being lucky, or in the right place at the right time, or whatever it is you would like to call it, then I don't know what is.

Alex Dowsett (the previous holder of the world Hour record) as already said today that he will challenge for it again.

He will beat Wiggins time.

Not by much - but just enough so that another attempt is made after that and another one thereafter.

Wiggins attempted to put the record out of sight.

He failed.

Yes he got the record and once again those that don't know the sport are cheering for him but in reality he got lucky one last time in that he performed worse than what he hoped for yet still came out smelling of roses to those who don't know the sport.

Like I've said many times - fair play to him - he beat whatever was in front of him.

All I'm trying to say was that those in front of him were not necessarily the best people (or targets) around at the time.  And it was Wiggins good luck that they weren't!

Copper Dragon

Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Jesus wept Sluffy, what a load of bollocks.

It was Martin's bad luck not the other way around. Wiggins hasn't just been given these 'wins' or the medals, he's had to do a bit against the others (not Martin).

You've got a real obvious problem with Wiggins. Did he kick the flower tops off in your garden?

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Yes your right.

It was Martins bad luck.

It was Froome's bad luck too.

I must have imagined Wiggins giving his intended schedule for the Hour record - which he failed to achieve.

Dowsett or anyone else for that matter won't bother even attempting beating such a wonderful record that Wiggins has set for the Hour.

Yes your right - I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about after following cycling for over thirty years.

Probably best if I just spout off on things I know fuck all about.

Just like you have.







Is that more to your liking?

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Because Wiggins didn't hit his target doesn't mean he's not worthy of the world record. I'm sure many people set themselves targets and don't achieve them. I don't understand the hate you appear to have for Wiggins. He's done well and at the moment is worthy of his titles, but as we all know records are there to be broken and more than likely will be broken at some point.

Copper Dragon

Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@Sluffy wrote:
Yes your right - I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about after following cycling for over thirty years.

Probably best if I just spout off on things I know fuck all about.

Just like you have.


I know what I'm talking about because Bradley Wiggins' record is in black and white.

It's not in ifs and buts.

Copper Dragon

Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Cycling Weekly wrote:When he passed Dowsett’s distance with just under two minutes to go, it was a case of how much more ground he could cover. Rather than collapse on the floor, as other Hour Record riders have done, Wiggins hopped on a road bike for a victory lap of the velodrome, waving to the huge, sell-out crowd.


http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/sir-bradley-wiggins-smashes-hour-record-with-54-526km-175594

Copper Dragon

Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Sir Bradley will love this......


wessy

wessy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Plenty of top sportsman have failed to deliver, just because you are faster than another doesn't guarantee victory, everything needs to come together on the day to become an Olympic champion.

Martin failed to be at his best on that day, Wiggins delivered he's in the record books Olympic Champion. another unfortunate soul is Mark Cavendish he must be gutted, just not to be, for him.

Look at Paula Radcliffe the fastest female marathon runner by a country mile, she didn't get it right in Olympic year so someone took the title not the Champions fault she got it right.

So the fact that someone was faster the year before and the year after does not mean he would automatically win, many factors come to bear form being just one of them.

As for a world record, it is just that, the fastest man ever to complete that distance in that time, it matters not a jot that someone else may have the ability to beat it, that is the evolution of the event all records are there to be broken.
The previous guy said he rode to a speed to get him the record, and he may be able to do better, then prove it, who's to say that Wiggo cant improve on his own record.

The guy who wins on the day that matters takes the plaudits, That guy was Bradley Wiggins.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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I give up.

All I tried to do was give people a bit of an insight into the sport - yet because of it I'm accused of actually hating Wiggins!

Christ I've never hated anybody in real life - and I've had my fair amount of shit dumped on me over the years - so why the fuck anybody should think I hate someone I've never even met is beyond my comprehension!

If anybody cares to read back what I've actually said, nowhere do I critise Wiggins for what he's achieved - phrases like 'fair play to him he can only beat those there on the day' or words to that effect I've used countless times.

All I've actually have said that his luck was in, in that he's been at the right place at the right time and better cyclists have either been injured or had to obey team orders - which ended their respective chances of beating him - which they would (and have!!!) when they have not been injured or team orders were lifted.

God I wouldn't have bothered if I'd known all this shit was going to happen.

I wonder how many on here even bothered to go and see Wiggins and a world class cycling field when they cycled passed the bottom of their street in the Tour of Yorkshire a few weeks ago?

And the funny thing is, is this so called Wiggins hater was the one who flagged the race up and encouraged everybody to go and see Bradley and the rest of them - free day out, something different, take the family, you might enjoy it, etc, etc - and the response I got back was basically fuck all.

I won't trouble the forum with my views on cycling from now on - as it seems most of you have a far great depth of knowledge and expertise in it than I have anyway.

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Hey Sluffy

Given that my grandad was a top Brit cyclist and I was compelled to do a 100 miles a day (once a week) as a 9 year old I feel I should weigh in here.
Every sport is projected according to it's commercial potential because those who pay for it want their ROI.
That may not be the view of the close followers who analyse in greater depth and in noting the "why's" come to a different conclusion - and would present it differently.
Therein lies the anomaly.
However as BTID says, it's who wins on the day - and maybe they were planning for that all along?

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It's a debate Sluffy.  You're far more knowledgable than I am with cycling but I do respect what he has done and deserves his records.



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@Sluffy wrote:I give up.

All I tried to do was give people a bit of an insight into the sport - yet because of it I'm accused of actually hating Wiggins!

Christ I've never hated anybody in real life - and I've had my fair amount of shit dumped on me over the years - so why the fuck anybody should think I hate someone I've never even met is beyond my comprehension!

If anybody cares to read back what I've actually said, nowhere do I critise Wiggins for what he's achieved - phrases like 'fair play to him he can only beat those there on the day' or words to that effect I've used countless times.

All I've actually have said that his luck was in, in that he's been at the right place at the right time and better cyclists have either been injured or had to obey team orders - which ended their respective chances of beating him - which they would (and have!!!) when they have not been injured or team orders were lifted.

God I wouldn't have bothered if I'd known all this shit was going to happen.

I wonder how many on here even bothered to go and see Wiggins and a world class cycling field when they cycled passed the bottom of their street in the Tour of Yorkshire a few weeks ago?

And the funny thing is, is this so called Wiggins hater was the one who flagged the race up and encouraged everybody to go and see Bradley and the rest of them - free day out, something different, take the family, you might enjoy it, etc, etc - and the response I got back was basically fuck all.

I won't trouble the forum with my views on cycling from now on - as it seems most of you have a far great depth of knowledge and expertise in it than I have anyway.


I think you make some fair points, and see where you're coming from.

Don't be a baby about it though, keep posting your thoughts on cycling and it's a good read for someone like me who hasn't got a clue.

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
When it comes to sport we all have our own opinions. I don't know enough about the ins and outs of professional cycling to comment on any individuals but I did enjoy seeing Wiggo win the Tour de France and the Olympics.

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