Bread2.0 wrote:Fry's beliefs are pretty much in line with my own.
At last! We've been waiting for this day for many years, it's very brave of you to finally acknowledge your love of the penis. KP will help you through this testing time.
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Bread2.0 wrote:Fry's beliefs are pretty much in line with my own.
Bwfc1958 wrote:If nothing creates itself as you say, then what or who created God?
you should be in the new Trump administration Nat, you have similar views, You'll be telling me evolution is a myth and it's all down to creationism nextNatasha Whittam wrote:Bwfc1958 wrote:If nothing creates itself as you say, then what or who created God?
If you have a better idea backed up by a book (like the bible) then let's hear it.
If you begin with something it's not the beginning is it? so the same logic applies to the concept of creation/Creator whether we're talking about the existence of matter as we recognise it or simply the creation of a force that causes change. Big Bang theory is dependent on the pre-existence of gaseous matter so what created the matter and the forces that allowed the Big Bang to occur?Fabians Right Peg wrote:wanderlust wrote:In the beginning there was nothing presumably. (If not, what created it?)
Then there was something.
Something created something out of nothing.
Whatever that creative force is/was = God.
The existence or otherwise of God has nothing to do with Atheism which is a human belief structure for those who don't believe in God. So if God is proven to exist, it won't end Atheism as people can and will still believe anything they are capable of believing.
Why must you start with nothing, the laws of physics state that you can not create energy or matter just change it from one form to another so you could argue there was always something and no need for creation.
the existence of nothing is difficult to prove since it can not be measured or quantified as it does not exist?
thats cleared that up thenwanderlust wrote:Time may be an illusory construct, but most people believe they and the physical universe exist in a cogito ergo sum kind of way, so although time (a construct) may not have existed pre BB, either matter existed pre BB (which must have been created somehow - and therefore the Creator exists) or it didn't in which case something created matter out of nothing at the time of the BB and whatever did that would be the Creator.
Not likely to be a "being" as we would recognise it but more likely a creative force.
Either way, existence exists ergo creation occurred.
We're talking about "God" as the creative force so I suppose when it comes to the existence of matter it's literally a mass debate.Norpig wrote:i feel like i've stumbled into an Open University lecture reading all this
I know that, his lifestyle is a dead giveaway for a start.Norpig wrote:try actually listening to it first before spouting rubbish AD. He doesn't believe in God, that's the whole point of his answer
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