Brexit Watch

Whitesince63 wrote:

Just yet another attempt to exclude the UK lusty but one that the EU will lose from, not ourselves in my opinion. The very fact that it’s an EU project consigns it to failure, as every other has. The EU thinks itself some kind of leader when in fact it doesn’t have one major technology leader. Google, Facebook, Netflix, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, Samsung. The list goes on yet none, absolutely zero have come from Europe. Ask yourself why. The EU has totally stifled enterprise and entrepreneurial ability in favour of big company globalisation and their regulations and red tape will continue to strangle anything that threatens them. Outside we can back all those businesses as we are starting to do. Leave the EU to fester whilst we grow.

Whitesince63 wrote: Stop digging Lusty, we’re better out and rowing our own boat.

wanderlust wrote: Merry Xmas - it's a quiet news day so the perfect time to slip in a few details of the next phase of the transition to Brexit that is coming in the New Year in the hope it will go unnoticed.

A whole new raft of red tape will be brought into play as Custom controls are set to be ramped up by both sides in a war of attrition.

But don't worry - the government have their priorities sorted out at this time of crisis - there's talks of returning to pint bottles of wine and champagne so we can all pay more to drink less.

There is some better news - the government have done a U turn on care workers and have finally agreed to add them to the list of essential immigrants eligible for visas to help address the shortages.
Priti Patel and Savid Javid made the announcement late yesterday through gritted teeth

Doubt it will have any impact though as it's only for a 1 year visa and when they announced similar measures to attract HGV drivers they received only 27 applications - the damage has already been done.

wanderlust wrote:

Whitesince63 wrote:

You are still in Europe Lusty 

Norpig wrote:Brexit is causing me issues at work. Medicines shipped from the EU are now taking much longer to be delivered, it can be 3-4 weeks now when it was much shorter before. I think the rules tightened up at the start of December?

Whitesince63 wrote:

No Norpig, Brexit isn’t causing you delays, the EU red tape is causing you delays. The UK were perfectly happy to continue to allow goods to cross between us uninterrupted as they already conformed to all the quality requirements and standards but clearly that didn’t suit the EU. When are you going to accept that the Brussels Burghers are intent on hitting the EU at every opportunity. 

There’s a new Frexit documentary being made in France to show the true situation on Post Brexit UK as all they get in France and the rest of Europe is propaganda on how terrible things are here following our leaving. Just another attempt to scare people into believing how essential membership is but bound to fail as we benefit over time.

Sluffy wrote:I'm not against moaning, we all do it but I don't really see much point about continually moaning over something that started over a year ago and which non of us as individuals can stop.

I'm no difference than anybody else, I don't want to be worse off, don't want to see my family suffer, want my daughter to have a wonderful future, etc and Brexit may well effect all that - but moaning about it won't change anything.

Do something if you must, start a new party - Macron did and within a year he was swept to power in France.

But continual moaning about it on here just make people look very bitter.

Life is far too short for that.

Sluffy wrote:All the moaning on this forum is coming from you mate.

You can moan until the cows come home but it won't make a jot of difference.

Actions speak louder than words - so what are you doing to stop Brexit happening - nothing at all.

All the legal, political and social paths are leading to Brexit as that video above explains.

Until you can turn that around Brexit is happening even if it does turn out really shit for us all and for years to come.

So if you want to stop it, get out of your armchair and become some sort of catalyst to change things in the country rather than constantly telling us on Nuts that we are all doomed!

Sluffy wrote:

wanderlust wrote:So you didn't read what wrote then? Not that it would stop you from having a moan anyway.

Yes, I do you the curtesy of reading your posts.

You can fill in the gaps and give us your insights from now until the day you die but it won't change a single thing will it.

Actions speak louder than words, remember.

Go and DO something to stop Brexit if you think you can, otherwise accept the inevitable like the rest of us and get on with your life.

Sluffy wrote:There's a difference between an opinion and constant, ceaseless, endless bitching and moaning over nothing you can do about - and are not doing anything about (otherwise you would be the first to tell us all what you have been doing).

Whitesince63 wrote:The problem is Sluffy, that Lusty and others only look for the negatives so they can continually moan and groan how bad it is, without ever looking for positives, even if they may only be opportunities at the moment. We were in the EU for 50 years and since we’ve been out, they have made it perfectly clear that they’re going to punish us at every opportunity to make us look bad, so it’s hardly surprising that things have got worse but I don’t think even the most ardent Brexiteer ever claimed the EU would make it easy. It is what it is and yes, I agree at the moment it’s pretty shit and the deal we got wasn’t the one we wanted but there was enough within the protocol to allow for negotiation over time. Sadly the EU are playing more than hard ball.

As you quite rightly say, whether you voted stay or leave is now irrelevant and no amount of moaning will change the fact we’re out and with the EZu as it is, will never rejoin. However, what I expect to happen is the EU to crumble and either collapse completely due to its over bureaucratic structure, or as I hope it will, to drop the Federalisation and return to a simple trading block, which in time we may wish to join. The next country out will be France, quickly followed I believe by Italy and probably the East Europeans. The Soviet Union should have been an example of what doesn’t work but all these years later the EU thinks it can do better. It can’t and they should see that now but they won’t. Sadly it will all end in tears but not for us because we’re well rid of it.

Lusty, the Frexit movie isn’t in production yet but is under plan to show France that the UK isn’t falling apart as the Macron propaganda machine continues to protest.

wanderlust wrote:...maybe, just maybe they'll wake up in time to do something about it before the damage is irreparable?

Brexit - or something vaguely masquerading as Brexit - has happened but that doesn't mean we all should lie down and let it destroy Britain.

wanderlust wrote:
The Frexit movement was the flagship policy of Marine Le Pen in 2016 - "just call me Madame Frexit" - but 3 years later her party dropped it and realised they were better off staying in the EU and fighting the perceived problems from within so now there are just a handful of nutters trying to revive the corpse of a dumb idea.

And rather than "moaning" about Brexit I am merely pointing out how much it's damaging our beloved country. Perhaps if people stopped hanging on to their misplaced trust in what is a contender for the worst idea in British history maybe, just maybe they'll wake up in time to do something about it before the damage is irreparable?

Brexit - or something vaguely masquerading as Brexit - has happened but that doesn't mean we all should lie down and let it destroy Britain.

At least the government's backtracking is protecting us from some of the worst excesses of the stupidity for the time being.

I know Brexiteers don't like to be reminded about how they were duped, how what they were promised isn't and will never be delivered, how it was clearly explained to them beforehand that the EU would not roll over to accept one-sided demands, how an isolated Britain would lose all it's power at the international negotiation table, how the basic cost of leaving would be many times more than the paltry savings made, how dependent we are on international trade and foreign workers etc etc - but tough shit - these are the facts and the sooner Britain gets off cloud cuckoo land the sooner we can start repairing the damage and retake our place amongst the top nations - albeit a much lower place than we were in before this glorified tax dodging scheme for billionaires conned the nation.