General Election - 8th June.

okocha wrote:Question Time last night showed that the mood of the country is changing and the Tories' comfortable lead may soon shrink enough to worry them. Can we really vote for the nasty party?

I think it shows that the mood of the Question Time audience is changing but they are hardly representative of the voting public given that 4 times as many viewers watch Britain's Got Talent than QT.
As I argued elsewhere, policies and performance are no longer under the same scrutiny as they used to be (apart from Labour's) and just as the EU referendum was dumbed down to a simple yes or no, so the voting behaviour of the majority will come down to their prejudices when push comes to shove.
Middle class politically aware people may well vote on policies and performance - they always have - but of much greater interest will be the turnout of the 3 million historically apolitical voters who appeared out of the woodwork to push Brexit through. If they side with the Tories in the belief that the election is about Brexit the Tories will win by an even greater than expected margin, however I suspect a lot of them won't bother to vote again. Ever.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:It will be interesting to see how long it takes for pensioners to wake up to the fact ......


XM, why do you insist on some sections of the public being stupid, or a bit slow, just because you have set political views and ideals ?


I'm a pensioner, as are some others on here, and I realised straightaway what the implications were, and I'm certain that the vast majority of us know what is to come. As for the fuel payment, I receive it, and have no problem losing it. I just hope the means that, when its introduced, it doesn't penalise the real needy.
I really don't like the fact that if I or my wife fall ill, we'll have have only 100,000 to leave them, and will watch our home taken off us. At the moment its valued at £350K, and I have no doubt, as someone mentioned earlier, the high prices of care will remain, or even go higher.


What I am surprised at, is that people haven't yet realised that it not only going to affect the old, but also the upcoming generations. Whats the point of striving for your own home, etc, when its nothing more than a way to finance a system that has been allowed to fall into disarray. It not only depresses the older generation, but also takes away the aspirations of many of the younger ones.

I can see why my statement could be taken as patronising but that is not what I intended (and I am a pensioner myself). What I meant was that it would be interesting to see if Tory support amongst pensioners started to drop once the implications of these measures sunk in.

You also make a very good point about the effect on future generations of this confiscatory policy.

I think it will affect some, (my wife is leaping up and down), but as someone on the TV said last night, for those people, there's no real alternative. I think, as Wander states, that some will not bother to vote, and not just the new Brexit voters, but some of those who were wavering. 
The Tories will get in, (helped by my vote), but I would like to see their lead, from the expected landslide, reduced enough to make them think twice before charging ahead unrestrained. We really do need a good opposition, and at this time, even though I don't believe in his Brexit stand, I think Farron is starting to come through better than Corbyn.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:It will be interesting to see how long it takes for pensioners to wake up to the fact ......


XM, why do you insist on some sections of the public being stupid, or a bit slow, just because you have set political views and ideals ?


I'm a pensioner, as are some others on here, and I realised straightaway what the implications were, and I'm certain that the vast majority of us know what is to come. As for the fuel payment, I receive it, and have no problem losing it. I just hope the means that, when its introduced, it doesn't penalise the real needy.
I really don't like the fact that if I or my wife fall ill, we'll have have only 100,000 to leave them, and will watch our home taken off us. At the moment its valued at £350K, and I have no doubt, as someone mentioned earlier, the high prices of care will remain, or even go higher.


What I am surprised at, is that people haven't yet realised that it not only going to affect the old, but also the upcoming generations. Whats the point of striving for your own home, etc, when its nothing more than a way to finance a system that has been allowed to fall into disarray. It not only depresses the older generation, but also takes away the aspirations of many of the younger ones.

I can see why my statement could be taken as patronising but that is not what I intended (and I am a pensioner myself). What I meant was that it would be interesting to see if Tory support amongst pensioners started to drop once the implications of these measures sunk in.

You also make a very good point about the effect on future generations of this confiscatory policy.

I think it will affect some, (my wife is leaping up and down), but as someone on the TV said last night, for those people, there's no real alternative. I think, as Wander states, that some will not bother to vote, and not just the new Brexit voters, but some of those who were wavering. 
The Tories will get in, (helped by my vote), but I would like to see their lead, from the expected landslide, reduced enough to make them think twice before charging ahead unrestrained. We really do need a good opposition, and at this time, even though I don't believe in his Brexit stand, I think Farron is starting to come through better than Corbyn.

On that note it's useful to know that in the last general election in 2015, more eligible voters abstained that actually voted for the winning party. A third of the electorate simply didn't bother. The largest group was the "Don't know/can't be arsed brigade".
There's a lot to be said for the Australian model where voting is a civic duty and abstainers can be prosecuted.

Even if large numbers of people spoil their ballot papers I quite like the idea of making voting compulsory.

This is an interesting development. Two million people have registered to vote and continue to register at a rate of 100k new voters a day.

Just got back from Spain and found a letter from Theresa behind the door.

It looks legit and heart-felt and genuine and shit so I might vote for her. Because it's glossy and well produced.

That's how it works here isn't it? You pick the party leader you like the most and then vote accordingly?

Fuck all from Jezza, by the way.....the commie prick.

Bread2.0 wrote:Just got back from Spain and found a letter from Theresa behind the door.

It looks legit and heart-felt and genuine and shit so I might vote for her. Because it's glossy and well produced.

That's how it works here isn't it? You pick the party leader you like the most and then vote accordingly?

Fuck all from Jezza, by the way.....the commie prick.

Latest poll shows May's lead has been slashed in half after the Tory manifesto bombs.

Burt it was dead glossy.......

I got a letter from Labour asking me for twenty five quid. Again.

For obvious reasons I've not had time to come on here much. I have enjoyed my one hustings so far with Jacob Rees Mogg as well as doorknocking, street stalling, literature writing etc etc. My team will wake up on June 9th knowing we did all we could. Since the release of the conservative manifesto the only thing anyone has wanted to talk about on the doorsteps is the social care reforms leaving a max of £100k to be left if you have the temerity to lo live longer with complex care needs...no matter you have paid tax all your life. On the streets, interestingly given everything else, it's all about fox hunting. Won't surprise you that I and JRM are at opposite ends of the spectrum on both these matters. Lyndon crosbie, running the Tory campaign, is a sharp cookie. He will be delighted that at this stage Labour in the polls are catching up with the Tories. Look out for even more Corbyn bashing in next couple of weeks so that those who are tempted to vote labour in marginals will pause, consider that they actually might win, and vote Tory. It's a cunning plan I tells ee.

boltonbonce wrote:I got a letter from Labour asking me for twenty five quid. Again.

Be sensible and tell them to sod off

rammywhite wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:I got a letter from Labour asking me for twenty five quid. Again.

Be sensible and tell them to sod off

I always do. They added two books of raffle tickets this time. Two quid a pop.

I pay my subs. I'm not giving them any more.

I got three letters through the post yesterday, all from the Lib Dems. They're really going for it this time.

I received one from David Crausby.

I'm so pissed off with the Tories limiting a life's worth of savings of £100k to you, and the rest to them, that I might actually not vote, (first time ever), or even vote UKIP, although I'm hearing 'consultation' more and more, but this makes no difference, as it won't happen until after the election. 
Makes me wonder if that £100k is limited to the individual, or to the property, especially as my house is registered as 'Tenants in Common'.

gloswhite wrote:I'm so pissed off with the Tories limiting a life's worth of savings of £100k to you, and the rest to them, that I might actually not vote, (first time ever), or even vote UKIP, although I'm hearing 'consultation' more and more, but this makes no difference, as it won't happen until after the election. 
Makes me wonder if that £100k is limited to the individual, or to the property, especially as my house is registered as 'Tenants in Common'.

Obviously I'm pleased that you are pissed off with the Tories but are you really considering voting UKIP?

Interesting that May claims that nothing has changed whilst backpedalling as fast as she can go:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-39979839

gloswhite wrote:I'm so pissed off with the Tories limiting a life's worth of savings of £100k to you, and the rest to them, that I might actually not vote, (first time ever), or even vote UKIP, although I'm hearing 'consultation' more and more, but this makes no difference, as it won't happen until after the election. 
Makes me wonder if that £100k is limited to the individual, or to the property, especially as my house is registered as 'Tenants in Common'.

If you are legally related to the other "tenants" e.g. it's your partner/missus then I believe they have legal claim. If not, they have legal claim over your share.
It's a seriously messy proposal, badly thought through.

wanderlust wrote:

gloswhite wrote:I'm so pissed off with the Tories limiting a life's worth of savings of £100k to you, and the rest to them, that I might actually not vote, (first time ever), or even vote UKIP, although I'm hearing 'consultation' more and more, but this makes no difference, as it won't happen until after the election. 
Makes me wonder if that £100k is limited to the individual, or to the property, especially as my house is registered as 'Tenants in Common'.

If you are legally related to the other "tenants" e.g. it's your partner/missus then I believe they have legal claim. If not, they have legal claim over your share.
It's a seriously messy proposal, badly thought through.

If you are tenants in common you each own half a share of the property outright and your partner/spouse has no legal entitlement. One consequence is that half a house is worth very little so if your partner is still alive and living in the property I think the government will have no legal claim on the property even after the death of the first partner/spouse. Mind you I wouldn't trust those Tory bastards not to change the law to suit themselves.

Now May has changed her social care plans and done a complete u-turn it is clear that the Tories will continue to help the rich and screw the rest of us. Combining the dementia tax with a cap means that those with average homes will lose everything bar the £100k but if you live in a mansion you will still have a large amount to pass on to your family.

For example UK average house price is about £250k so suppose the cap is £300k, every one with a house worth more than that will keep something above the basic £100k and the more the property is worth the more they will keep. Conversely everyone living in a typical house will lose every penny bar the £100k.

So Tory, so predictable!