Should the club wear rainbow laces next week?

doffcocker wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:I would not in any way stand for one of my lads coming out,he'd be shown the door double quick I'd have none of that shit in my family and neither would their mum. That clear enough for you 74, zero tolerance.

In true bigotry style, you're just ignoring all logic, and saying "that's how it would be" for no other reason than "because that's just how it is".

To make things interesting, let's change 74's question to:

Would you prefer a lad of yours to a ) come out to you as gay or b ) settle down with a woman he has no attraction to?

Logic, Homosexuality is itself illogical. The male organ was made to go into the female organ to produce offspring, The anus is for exiting food waste only, no life comes from homosexuality there is no organ for it. A man with a man is confusion,When two males get together one invariably becomes the female and the same with women one becomes the male total confusion ,illogical and nonsense. You are not born homosexual you are born weak and give in to that weakness instead of fighting it just like some men or women are attracted to sex with children and give in to that weakness. They need help not encouragement. If a boy of mine came to me with that problem then i'd try and help him but if he insisted on going on with it he would have no further part to play in our family and no one is going to brainwash me into believing homosexuality is normal or right.

Angry Dad wrote:
Logic, Homosexuality is itself illogical. The male organ was made to go into the female organ to produce offspring, The anus is for exiting food waste only, no life comes from homosexuality there is no organ for it. A man with a man is confusion,When two males get together one invariably becomes the female and the same with women one becomes the male total confusion ,illogical and nonsense. You are not born homosexual you are born weak and give in to that weakness instead of fighting it just like some men or women are attracted to sex with children and give in to that weakness. They need help not encouragement. If a boy of mine came to me with that problem then i'd try and help him but if he insisted on going on with it he would have no further part to play in our family and no one is going to brainwash me into believing homosexuality is normal or right.

You are certainly a hard taskmaster AD. I don't accept your simplistic viewpoint on this subject but you are entitled to your opinion, which I think is wrong on this occasion.

Reebok Trotter wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:
Logic, Homosexuality is itself illogical. The male organ was made to go into the female organ to produce offspring, The anus is for exiting food waste only, no life comes from homosexuality there is no organ for it. A man with a man is confusion,When two males get together one invariably becomes the female and the same with women one becomes the male total confusion ,illogical and nonsense. You are not born homosexual you are born weak and give in to that weakness instead of fighting it just like some men or women are attracted to sex with children and give in to that weakness. They need help not encouragement. If a boy of mine came to me with that problem then i'd try and help him but if he insisted on going on with it he would have no further part to play in our family and no one is going to brainwash me into believing homosexuality is normal or right.

You are certainly a hard taskmaster AD. I don't accept your simplistic viewpoint on this subject but you are entitled to your opinion, which I think is wrong on this occasion.

I don't think it matters if your opinion is right or wrong AD.The question is about whether the players should make the gesture to in effect say they show no animosity towards people who are gay.
There's a big difference between disapproving of something (as you do) and showing animosity towards those you disapprove of.
Just as I disagree with some of the stuff you come out with, I don't feel any animosity towards you as I believe it's your right to spout shite. Similarly, if two same-sex people want to get it on in the privacy of their own, home then that's fine by me - I won't be going out of my way to tell them I disapprove.

Angry Dad wrote:
Logic, Homosexuality is itself illogical. The male organ was made to go into the female organ to produce offspring, The anus is for exiting food waste only, no life comes from homosexuality there is no organ for it. A man with a man is confusion,When two males get together one invariably becomes the female and the same with women one becomes the male total confusion ,illogical and nonsense. You are not born homosexual you are born weak and give in to that weakness instead of fighting it just like some men or women are attracted to sex with children and give in to that weakness. They need help not encouragement. If a boy of mine came to me with that problem then i'd try and help him but if he insisted on going on with it he would have no further part to play in our family and no one is going to brainwash me into believing homosexuality is normal or right.

A large percentage of the heterosexual population engages in anal sex. Presumably you haven't, and would disown your son upon hearing he had with his female partner unless he sought the appropriate help.

Out of interest, how would you "help" your gay son? Show him through Nuts magazine? Recommend some excellent straight porn? Lock him in his room until he's tossed over it twenty times?

doffcocker wrote:
Out of interest, how would you "help" your gay son? Show him through Nuts magazine? Recommend some excellent straight porn? Lock him in his room until he's tossed over it twenty times?

I now have these images in my head.

I won't sleep tonight.

Thanks Doff, you bellend.

doffcocker wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:
Logic, Homosexuality is itself illogical. The male organ was made to go into the female organ to produce offspring, The anus is for exiting food waste only, no life comes from homosexuality there is no organ for it. A man with a man is confusion,When two males get together one invariably becomes the female and the same with women one becomes the male total confusion ,illogical and nonsense. You are not born homosexual you are born weak and give in to that weakness instead of fighting it just like some men or women are attracted to sex with children and give in to that weakness. They need help not encouragement. If a boy of mine came to me with that problem then i'd try and help him but if he insisted on going on with it he would have no further part to play in our family and no one is going to brainwash me into believing homosexuality is normal or right.

A large percentage of the heterosexual population engages in anal sex. Presumably you haven't, and would disown your son upon hearing he had with his female partner unless he sought the appropriate help.

Out of interest, how would you "help" your gay son? Show him through Nuts magazine? Recommend some excellent straight porn? Lock him in his room until he's tossed over it twenty times?

Thats my business how i'd deal with a homosexual son  and its none of yours and dont presume anything with me.

So which would you prefer AD? 

doffcocker wrote:a lad of yours to a ) come out to you as gay or b ) settle down with a woman he has no attraction to?

Can't option 'b' be shortened to "marriage"?

I don't see why not. The main point being that his son would be living a lie, but at least would appear straight to the outside world.

I'm looking forward to an answer.

Ironic thing is you may not want to be friends with anyone gay, but you may already have a gay mate, it's just he can't tell you because of bigoted views. Nearly all young kids seem to have a gay mate, its us old dinosaurs that need to lighten up. What if your kid tells you he's gay you can't just say stay the fuck away from me? or maybe you can?

We thought that no one was gay back in the day "it didn't happen in my day" what a crock of,
Live and let live.

kennster wrote:

scottjames30 wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:

scottjames30 wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:In 100 years they'll be looking back at homophobia as completely ridiculous, much like those who wanted to deny women the vote. These opinions are old fashioned and (slowly but surely) dying out.

 

Let's not pretend you have a clue what's going on here Scott.

How about kiss my arse you shit talking tosser  

1874 was right on this one Scott. In a few years time people will be embarrassed on their views towards gay people.

How can you be so sure what the future holds? Or should I call you Kennstradamus?

Kennstradamus  

In my experience it's homophobia people find disgusting, not homosexuality. That's why I think homophobia will be dead soon. 

If 2 men or women want to engage in consensual sex in their spare time I couldn't give a fuck and I'm yet to hear a real reason why anyone should.

Come on AD give us your answer?

For the sake of argument, let us say that I am on overpaid ponce on the books of Bolton Wanderers. I am from an old-fashioned island in the Caribbean with a strong religious background and I firmly believe that homosexuality is wrong. Is it acceptable that I should be pressured to wear rainbow laces to show support or acceptance for something that I do not believe in? My personal preferences and beliefs preclude me from wearing rainbow laces in support of homosexuality although I have not gone on a soapbox to preach against it, but I would most likely be branded as anti-gay and vilified. This is not about the right or wrong of homosexuality - the thread is about rainbow laces. The right to not accept homosexuality is just as valid as the right to accept it, in my humble opinion.

Keegan wrote:For the sake of argument, let us say that I am on overpaid ponce on the books of Bolton Wanderers. I am from an old-fashioned island in the Caribbean with a strong religious background and I firmly believe that homosexuality is wrong. Is it acceptable that I should be pressured to wear rainbow laces to show support or acceptance for something that I do not believe in? My personal preferences and beliefs preclude me from wearing rainbow laces in support of homosexuality although I have not gone on a soapbox to preach against it, but I would most likely be branded as anti-gay and vilified. This is not about the right or wrong of homosexuality - the thread is about rainbow laces. The right to not accept homosexuality is just as valid as the right to accept it, in my humble opinion.

If you are an overpaid ponce on the books of the Wanderers, just freakin' score for us... or if you are on defense, keep the ball from going behind Bogdan and btw... don't block him from seeing the ball when it is coming at him.  Earn your pay lad... and tell the others the same thing.  You can wear a rainbow fake nose for all I care... just play the game well and hard.

Keegan wrote:For the sake of argument, let us say that I am on overpaid ponce on the books of Bolton Wanderers. I am from an old-fashioned island in the Caribbean with a strong religious background and I firmly believe that homosexuality is wrong. Is it acceptable that I should be pressured to wear rainbow laces to show support or acceptance for something that I do not believe in? My personal preferences and beliefs preclude me from wearing rainbow laces in support of homosexuality although I have not gone on a soapbox to preach against it, but I would most likely be branded as anti-gay and vilified. This is not about the right or wrong of homosexuality - the thread is about rainbow laces. The right to not accept homosexuality is just as valid as the right to accept it, in my humble opinion.

Who's pressuring you? The players have been offered the chance to support a cause to raise awareness, that's not pressure. Nobody is going to say you're wrong to believe what you do, that's your prerogative. Failing to support this cause doesn't make anybody anti-gay, it clearly clashes with some religious beliefs. 

I don't think it's a case of accepting homosexuality, more that it's wrong to discriminate against a group of people based on their beliefs/sexuality/race etc.

bwfc1874 wrote:Who's pressuring you? The players have been offered the chance to support a cause to raise awareness, that's not pressure. Nobody is going to say you're wrong to believe what you do, that's your prerogative. Failing to support this cause doesn't make anybody anti-gay, it clearly clashes with some religious beliefs. 

I don't think it's a case of accepting homosexuality, more that it's wrong to discriminate against a group of people based on their beliefs/sexuality/race etc.

 Okay - so 10 players take the field in rainbow laces and one person does not. You would say he is merely standing up for what he believes and good luck to him? You wouldn't think there is any peer pressure there?

A hypothetical situation I doubt will be the case but so what? Should the initiative should be stopped in case one player feels peer pressured? 

Papis Cisse refused to wear a Wonga Shirt because it clashed with his Muslim beliefs; the only muslim in his team to do so. He clearly didn't feel peer pressured into wearing the shirt.

As much as you have the right not to support homosexuality, those who want to can. If this is how they decide to do it (not the best way to be fair) then let them get on with it is all Im saying, I'd applaud any player that was brave enough to stand up and support it considering how football is still backwards in this respect compared to the rest of society.

In that case it shouldn't be "The Club" but the individuals in the team who choose to do so.

Reasonable?