BWFC memorabilia, what you got ?

Just had a surveyor in to check a ceiling repair, and, noticing all the memorabilia informed me that his great grandfather played for Bolton Wanderers as well as Lancashire at cricket.
His name was John Oldham. He also flew Spitfire's, and died during the war.
I must say, I can find no record of him. Anyone know owt?

Remember this guy?
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boltonbonce wrote:Remember this guy?
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Is it Alonso's brother?

Or Harsanyi?

Norpig wrote:Or Harsanyi?

Correct. Not one to have on the wall.

I have a mate selling an Adam Bogdan signed glove in a frame if anyone's interested? A bit left field i know but i bet Boncey wants it 

Norpig wrote:I have a mate selling an Adam Bogdan signed glove in a frame if anyone's interested? A bit left field i know but i bet Boncey wants it 

I assume the other glove is still up Bogdan's arse?

boltonbonce wrote:
I assume the other glove is still up Bogdan's arse?

i'll take that as a no then?

Norpig wrote:
i'll take that as a no then?

Yes. I keep my dodgy stuff in a box. Like my signed photo of Zat Knight. It's a hall of shame in there.
Just checked and there's a picture of Tuncay in there as well. Might have a good rummage through it later.

Looking through some old programmes and came across this Easter Monday encounter with Burnley in 1954. The game finished 1-1, with 25,857 in attendance. Wouldn't mind a few of those old boys now.
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Don't think my mate had much luck selling the Bogdan glove 

He even advertised it on the Reebok roar FB page with not much interest.

Sorting through some Wanderers stuff, and I found this. Bill Ridding, George Taylor, are there, but do you know any of the others? Look like mainly back room staff getting ready for Christmas pud.

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Came across this one today. Can you name the Wanderer. Or the Liverpool player. The year is 1951. 10 points for each.

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The teams that day -

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From the picture it looks to me that the Bolton player is close to the goal line (foreground) and if so the Bolton player running back behind him isn't going on an overlap, so more likely getting between the ball and goal to defend it.

Assuming then we are defending and Liverpool attacking, then my guess based on players in that era sticking in their positions rather than being more fluid on the field as these days, then the Bolton player is more likely to be a defender and the Liverpool player a striker (wingers sticking mostly to the touchlines).

I'm guessing the Bolton player is therefore a centre half (Murphy or Ball) and the Liverpool player Liddell or Stubbins.

If the Bolton player is running back to goal then I assume the picture is taken to the right side of the goal area, so it seems the odds therefore if players stuck to their positions more than didn't would be Danny Murphy and Billy Liddell.

However a google at Liddell pictures seems to show he had a centre parting in his hair and the picture seems to suggest the player had a side parting - which Stubbins pictures seem to show he had - so my guess is Stubbins for the Liverpool player.

Just to complete my little analysis I tried to find a picture Danny Murphy but failed but I did find a team picture of Wanderers for 1958/9 season and it seems pretty clear to me that the Bolton player is in actual fact Roy Hartle.

Seeing he isn't shown on the team for that day (in the link above) I can only conclude that either Bonce has the wrong year for the picture or the stat site is wrong?

Bolton didn't seem to play Liverpool twice that year either in different seasons or in the cup.

Roy Hartle isn't shown as being in the team for the match the following year...

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...so I suspect the picture is a few years younger than what Bonce believes it to be???

Although the stat site may equally be wrong as I've not bothered to verify its accuracy either.

Sorry, didn't set out to doubt your word Boncey, or create a mystery!

You've not had much on this afternoon have you Sluffy? 

Norpig wrote:You've not had much on this afternoon have you Sluffy? 

Unbelievable stuff Sluffy. 

It's Danny Murphy and Albert Stubbins.

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Norpig wrote:You've not had much on this afternoon have you Sluffy? 

Tbh I've been stuck indoors for the last two weeks or more simply because of the weather, it's been abysmal round my way.

I do try and pop out for an hour or so when I can daily but have been caught out and drenched at least three times - and that's just staying local.

As for looking things up it is just second nature to me, I've always enjoyed finding things out all my life I guess.  

With the internet so quick and easy to use it is so simple to do these days and I simply can't understand why most people don't use it rather than believe as gospel utter bollocks from random people they have no idea who they are, or what reason they have for saying stuff, on social media as they often do!!!

I mean how difficult and how long does it take to Google 'Bolton v Liverpool 1951' then a google image search for a few old footballers - two maybe three minutes at most it probably took me.

Below is a picture of Roy Hartle which looks to me very much like the picture in the photo of the Bolton player...

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...Google couldn't find a picture of Bolton's Danny Murphy to compare but I rather think it may well be Roy after all?

As for the rest - position on the pitch, player positions, etc, that's just all just common sense to me and having had experience of actually playing many games of footy over the years.

boltonbonce wrote:Just had a surveyor in to check a ceiling repair, and, noticing all the memorabilia informed me that his great grandfather played for Bolton Wanderers as well as Lancashire at cricket.
His name was John Oldham. He also flew Spitfire's, and died during the war.
I must say, I can find no record of him. Anyone know owt?

Sorry to be late to the party, Boncey, but here's the chap you mentioned

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Bollotom2014 wrote:
Sorry to be late to the party, Boncey, but here's the chap you mentioned

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Wow, Bollo, you've made my day. Couldn't find a thing about him until this. I initially thought he'd died during the war.
Great stuff, thanks.