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1Depressing Empty Depressing on Wed 10 Apr - 21:19

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Keep voting Tory and it will only get worse:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-47853444

2Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Wed 10 Apr - 21:23

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm not sure how me voting Labour will help middle class families in the US.

3Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Wed 10 Apr - 21:51

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
You can't make the poor rich by making the rich poor.

4Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Wed 10 Apr - 23:05

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:You can't make the poor rich by making the rich poor.

I think you are missing the point. The rich are making everyone poorer with their greed. This is having a serious impact on the lives of most of us.

5Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 7:28

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
All left wing policy calls for making the rich poorer. They don't wish to lift low earners up they wish to bring the rich down to the the level of the poor.

Having said that the modern Tory party don't wish to lift anyone up either. It's a perfect storm.

6Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 7:42

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Labours idea to introduce a wage cap where highest earners could only earn twenty times more than the lowest would have put that choice in companies hands.

Again though, prejudice ahead of facts etc etc.

7Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 8:41

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Stop the rich getting even richer would be a start. There is only so much cake and the rich are already eating far more than their fair share.

8Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 10:47

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Neither of the current main parties have ever expressed a political will to make things fairer because we live in a capitalist society that encourages competition and it is a fact that once people are winning, it is a lot easier for them to stay ahead because they then have the resources to do so. Inevitably then, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer - apart from a few cases where the rich in question have been incompetent/stupid and blown their advantageous position.

It could be argued that a new party is required, but those in power in a bipartite system have the resources to stay there. Can't see that changing in my lifetime.

9Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 10:49

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Rebalancing society is pretty much the main aim of the Labour Party under Corbyn so that’s just not true. Whether or not you think their policies would be effective is a different matter.

10Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 11:39

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Trickle down is simply the rich shaking off the drips.

11Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 13:30

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y wrote:Labours idea to introduce a wage cap where highest earners could only earn twenty times more than the lowest would have put that choice in companies hands.

Again though, prejudice ahead of facts etc etc.

Yes, as I said they wish to bring the rich down rather than lift the poor up.

12Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 14:01

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@T.R.O.Y wrote:Labours idea to introduce a wage cap where highest earners could only earn twenty times more than the lowest would have put that choice in companies hands.

Again though, prejudice ahead of facts etc etc.

Yes, as I said they wish to bring the rich down rather than lift the poor up.

And you are happy for the rich to keep ripping the rest of us off presumably.

13Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 14:17

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
No I'd rather I get to keep more of my money.

14Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 15:18

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@T.R.O.Y wrote:Labours idea to introduce a wage cap where highest earners could only earn twenty times more than the lowest would have put that choice in companies hands.

Again though, prejudice ahead of facts etc etc.

Yes, as I said they wish to bring the rich down rather than lift the poor up.

That’s not what the policy is though is it, so again you’d rather it fit your narrative so you don’t need to take a serious view on it.

15Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 15:29

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:No I'd rather I get to keep more of my money.

You probably would if the rich paid their fair share of tax rather than avoided/evaded it.

16Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 15:50

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Money talks. How many celebs get off driving charges by employing Mr Loophole,Nick Freeman?

17Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 16:11

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@xmiles wrote:Keep voting Tory and it will only get worse:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-47853444
Are you a communist X ?

18Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 18:16

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Angry Dad wrote:
@xmiles wrote:Keep voting Tory and it will only get worse:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-47853444
Are you a communist X ?

No.

19Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 18:45

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Angry Dad wrote:
@xmiles wrote:Keep voting Tory and it will only get worse:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-47853444
Are you a communist X ?
Very Happy

20Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 20:12

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:No I'd rather I get to keep more of my money.

You probably would if the rich paid their fair share of tax rather than avoided/evaded it.

Hardly. Wages for middle earners like myself always stagnate. Under labour their plans to tax the rich are purely to hand the takings out in benefits.

21Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 22:52

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
And to fund the NHS, nationalise the railways and invest in housing. But don’t let those facts get in the way of your prejudice.

22Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 23:08

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Council housing. 

Also I work in the NHS, it will never ever have enough money with the way it's run. I have about 6 managers all on band 7 and above. And they all do the same job.

23Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Thu 11 Apr - 23:40

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Great, but you claimed Labour just want to raise money to fund benefits? Have you given up on pushing that now?

24Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Fri 12 Apr - 6:59

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
They do, and they're very open about it. They believe those who are unwilling to work are the "most vulnerable in our society."

25Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Fri 12 Apr - 8:19

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Sounds pretty logical that out of work citizens are more vulnerable than those who are in.

26Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Fri 12 Apr - 8:57

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
They earn more than lots of people in work.

27Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Fri 12 Apr - 9:27

T.R.O.Y


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Think that’s always been a myth. If you believe that though why not vote for a party who wants. To pay a real national living wage?

28Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Fri 12 Apr - 9:28

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:They earn more than lots of people in work.

I don't think that is actually true.

Those who work full time on a low wage can get working tax credits and some other benefits to boost it.

29Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Fri 12 Apr - 9:29

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y wrote:Think that’s always been a myth.

You just beat me to it. Smile

30Depressing Empty Re: Depressing on Fri 12 Apr - 9:44

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@T.R.O.Y wrote:Think that’s always been a myth. If you believe that though why not vote for a party who wants. To pay a real national living wage?

And what's that going to be?

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