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181How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Mar 30 2020, 13:34

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@wanderlust wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I was expecting a kicking, (which in fairness I would have deserved). We didn't vote for this at all. I really don't see how you can come to this conclusion. I would say non attendance now would be down to the virus much more than any political decisions, especially taking into consideration that the government has acknowledged the problem and will allow these people in.
Quite right Glos. Nobody voted for it as our dependence on international trade, EU supply chains, EU and other foreign workers in our hospitals/other institutions and seasonal migrant workers was downplayed in the referendum and I don't believe many leave voters had a clue about the ramifications of what they were voting for.

Conversely, if they did fully understand what the impact on our key sectors would be it was incredibly irresponsible so it's probably best just to say they didn't know.

Personally I blame the Remain campaign for not adequately pointing out the benefits of membership. Huge parallels with the Monty Python "what have the Romans done for us?" sketch.
Can you honestly tell me that the migrant pickers carried much weight, at the time, with the Leavers argument? Like just everything else, they were mentioned, but its being emphasized now, whilst we are still in the negotiating phase that all these problems are with us.
You know Wander, I like your postings, but sometimes you come across as a very intelligent man, having quite a bitter and twisted outlook on life. Having said that, I suppose I come across as the eternal optimist who, according to TROY, ignores the bad things in life. I think we'll get on fine  Very Happy

182How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Mar 30 2020, 17:20

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@gloswhite wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I was expecting a kicking, (which in fairness I would have deserved). We didn't vote for this at all. I really don't see how you can come to this conclusion. I would say non attendance now would be down to the virus much more than any political decisions, especially taking into consideration that the government has acknowledged the problem and will allow these people in.
Quite right Glos. Nobody voted for it as our dependence on international trade, EU supply chains, EU and other foreign workers in our hospitals/other institutions and seasonal migrant workers was downplayed in the referendum and I don't believe many leave voters had a clue about the ramifications of what they were voting for.

Conversely, if they did fully understand what the impact on our key sectors would be it was incredibly irresponsible so it's probably best just to say they didn't know.

Personally I blame the Remain campaign for not adequately pointing out the benefits of membership. Huge parallels with the Monty Python "what have the Romans done for us?" sketch.
Can you honestly tell me that the migrant pickers carried much weight, at the time, with the Leavers argument? Like just everything else, they were mentioned, but its being emphasized now, whilst we are still in the negotiating phase that all these problems are with us.
You know Wander, I like your postings, but sometimes you come across as a very intelligent man, having quite a bitter and twisted outlook on life. Having said that, I suppose I come across as the eternal optimist who, according to TROY, ignores the bad things in life. I think we'll get on fine  Very Happy
You'd be bitter and twisted if you lived in Norfolk.

183How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Mar 30 2020, 22:38

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Cajunboy wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I was expecting a kicking, (which in fairness I would have deserved). We didn't vote for this at all. I really don't see how you can come to this conclusion. I would say non attendance now would be down to the virus much more than any political decisions, especially taking into consideration that the government has acknowledged the problem and will allow these people in.
Quite right Glos. Nobody voted for it as our dependence on international trade, EU supply chains, EU and other foreign workers in our hospitals/other institutions and seasonal migrant workers was downplayed in the referendum and I don't believe many leave voters had a clue about the ramifications of what they were voting for.

Conversely, if they did fully understand what the impact on our key sectors would be it was incredibly irresponsible so it's probably best just to say they didn't know.

Personally I blame the Remain campaign for not adequately pointing out the benefits of membership. Huge parallels with the Monty Python "what have the Romans done for us?" sketch.
Can you honestly tell me that the migrant pickers carried much weight, at the time, with the Leavers argument? Like just everything else, they were mentioned, but its being emphasized now, whilst we are still in the negotiating phase that all these problems are with us.
You know Wander, I like your postings, but sometimes you come across as a very intelligent man, having quite a bitter and twisted outlook on life. Having said that, I suppose I come across as the eternal optimist who, according to TROY, ignores the bad things in life. I think we'll get on fine  Very Happy
You'd be bitter and twisted if you lived in Norfolk.

Laughing My sister-in-law does.

184How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Mar 31 2020, 11:22

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
There continues to be a huge range of reactions to the suspension of life as we knew it. Americans are buying more guns , though mass school closures mean there are fewer favoured locations to use them. In the UK on Thursday night, millions stood on doorsteps or leaned from their windows to applaud NHS  and care workers, a vastly moving moment confused only by the participation of many Conservative MPs and ministers who in 2017 not only voted against a pay rise for nurses, but loudly clapped its defeat  – and whose funding priorities have left some frontline NHS workers threatening to resign over lack of protective equipment. The World Health Organization recommends the sort of full-body armour you’d want to attend dinner at Michael Gove’s; current government largesse allows for a Kiss the Cook apron and a cardboard Simon Cowell mask.

185How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Mar 31 2020, 13:14

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
It’s decidedly awkward that the government made time to read whatever quarter-witted bile Mike Ashley sent as an apology for keeping his shops open as "essential" services, but claims not to have seen the communication  from the EU about getting in on their scheme to buy extra ventilators. Given that Matt Hancock specifically referred to the scheme  on last week’s Question Time, we have to ask for the truth to be forthcoming some time soon.

186How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Mar 31 2020, 15:10

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I'm pretty sure Bob & Okocha are in competition.

187How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Mar 31 2020, 15:51

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@xmiles wrote:
@Cajunboy wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I was expecting a kicking, (which in fairness I would have deserved). We didn't vote for this at all. I really don't see how you can come to this conclusion. I would say non attendance now would be down to the virus much more than any political decisions, especially taking into consideration that the government has acknowledged the problem and will allow these people in.
Quite right Glos. Nobody voted for it as our dependence on international trade, EU supply chains, EU and other foreign workers in our hospitals/other institutions and seasonal migrant workers was downplayed in the referendum and I don't believe many leave voters had a clue about the ramifications of what they were voting for.

Conversely, if they did fully understand what the impact on our key sectors would be it was incredibly irresponsible so it's probably best just to say they didn't know.

Personally I blame the Remain campaign for not adequately pointing out the benefits of membership. Huge parallels with the Monty Python "what have the Romans done for us?" sketch.
Can you honestly tell me that the migrant pickers carried much weight, at the time, with the Leavers argument? Like just everything else, they were mentioned, but its being emphasized now, whilst we are still in the negotiating phase that all these problems are with us.
You know Wander, I like your postings, but sometimes you come across as a very intelligent man, having quite a bitter and twisted outlook on life. Having said that, I suppose I come across as the eternal optimist who, according to TROY, ignores the bad things in life. I think we'll get on fine  Very Happy
You'd be bitter and twisted if you lived in Norfolk.

Laughing  My sister-in-law does.
Sorry, I'm sure your sister-in-law is delightful.

188How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Mar 31 2020, 16:08

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The coastal area from Hunstanton to Cromer and inland to Holt is a lovely area and we once considered moving there.  It really is another world. We used to enjoy having holidays there.

189How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Mar 31 2020, 21:15

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
They'll all be needing wellies there soon Cajun.

190How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Mar 31 2020, 21:46

Ten Bobsworth


Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Natasha Whittam wrote:I'm pretty sure Bob & Okocha are in competition.
Can you explain that? Government's doing well according to Dale Vince.
As I don't believe Vince, does that mean it isn't?

191How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Apr 01 2020, 19:14

Guest


Guest
When Piers Morgan is criticising the governments response I think we can all agree there are valid questions to be asked, and it’s not just ‘political prejudices’. They need to be scrutinised - 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8175857/Piers-Morgan-NHS-heroes-led-donkeys-Boris-overrule-experts-tests.html

192How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Apr 03 2020, 19:30

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Exactly which part of the nation's health, when faced with a world pandemic, is not a topic worthy of political scrutiny and debate? 


All shades of opinion deserve attention here on how this most fundamental of global concerns is being managed....for all our sakes..... 


One man's prejudice is another man's unbiased truth.

193How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu May 14 2020, 22:49

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

194How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 14:40

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Brits will be the only citizens of a Western European country unable to travel, work, study and retire freely across their own continent.

The biggest retraction in freedoms in living memory.



Thanks, Priti Patel, for your thoughtful immigration bill.

195How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 14:57

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@okocha wrote:Brits will be the only citizens of a Western European country unable to travel, work, study and retire freely across their own continent.

The biggest retraction in freedoms in living memory.



Thanks, Priti Patel, for your thoughtful immigration bill.

Well that's untrue for a start!

If we are cut off from the rest of western Europe in those regards then it automatically follows that they are impacted in just the same way in wishing to do those things here.

I do wish you would post your sources.

The quote comes from Seb Dance, Labour MEP (former now obviously as we are no longer in the EU).

Wonder if he's a bit sour about losing all this money for no longer being an MEP! -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48037162


196How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 17:12

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Sluffy, I'm sure you're bright enough to appreciate that we'd be losing the freedom to travel, work, study, retire in multiple countries, each of which would be simply losing out on those freedoms in ONE country:-OURS! 

Recent times have shown how much our citizens, including the PM himself, have come to value and rely on vital "unskilled" workers. Isn't that what we've been clapping for on Thursday evenings? 
Not just for expert medical staff, but for carers, porters, delivery drivers, supermarket staff, teachers, cleaners etc. etc.

I'm not interested in arguments on here just for argument's sake.

197How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 18:03

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@okocha wrote:Sluffy, I'm sure you're bright enough to appreciate that we'd be losing the freedom to travel, work, study, retire in multiple countries, each of which would be simply losing out on those freedoms in ONE country:-OURS! 

Recent times have shown how much our citizens, including the PM himself, have come to value and rely on vital "unskilled" workers. Isn't that what we've been clapping for on Thursday evenings? 
Not just for expert medical staff, but for carers, porters, delivery drivers, supermarket staff, teachers, cleaners etc. etc.

I'm not interested in arguments on here just for argument's sake.

And I'm not interested in mistruth's to make political points.

If the point stands there is no need to lie.

If it needs a lie then what's the point in even discussing it?

Anyway I'm old enough to remember life before we joined the precursor of the EU (the EEC) and people still travelled, worked, studied and even retired to other country's - so that's not going to be stopped, just that it may cost more and involve more paperwork.

It then becomes more of an 'economic' choice to do those things than an automatic right.

You might even wish to consider if those choices we had whilst we were in the EU for all those years were indeed so 'good' and 'free' then why has more people immigrated into GB from the EU than visa-versa?

EU born residents in the UK and British born residents in the EU in 2015

EU Born in the UK/ Country / UK born in the EU

26,000 AUSTRIA 11,000
32,000 BELGIUM 27,000
77,000 BULGARIA 5,000
6,000 CROATIA 500
31,000 CYPRUS 41,000
42,000 CZECHREPUBLIC 5,000
24,000 DENMARK 19,000
18,000 ESTONIA 500
7,000 FINLAND 7,000
176,000 FRANCE 185,000
297,000 GERMANY 103,000
72,000 GREECE 18,000
87,000 HUNGARY 7,000
411,000 IRELAND 255,000
204,000 ITALY 65,000
96,000 LATVIA 1,000
147,000 LITHUANIA 3,000
1,000 LUXEMBOURG 7,000
20,000 MALTA 12,000
79,000 NETHERLANDS 50,000
883,000 POLAND 35,000
132,000 PORTUGAL 18,000
229,000 ROMANIA 3,000
63,000 SLOVAKIA 5,000
1,000 SLOVENIA 500
35,000 SWEDEN 25,000
129,000 SPAIN 309,000

3,325,000 TOTAL 1,217,500

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/354
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/2015-10-14

198How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 18:14

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I have no idea what you think you are proving by quoting numbers showing 3m people from the EU moving here compared to 2m British moving the other way. Since the population of the EU excluding the UK is 380m and the UK population is 67m your figures show proportionately far more UK citizens moving to the EU than the other way round i.e. the exact opposite of what you appear to be arguing.

And incidentally it is vice versa not visa-versa.

199How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 18:59

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@xmiles wrote:I have no idea what you think you are proving by quoting numbers showing 3m people from the EU moving here compared to 2m British moving the other way. Since the population of the EU excluding the UK is 380m and the UK population is 67m your figures show proportionately far more UK citizens moving to the EU than the other way round i.e. the exact opposite of what you appear to be arguing.

And incidentally it is vice versa not visa-versa.

Think you proved my point actually.

Out of 67m UK people only 2m think the 'freedoms' to go to EU countries is so worthwhile and more so that out of 380m EU citizens only 3m think it's worth bothering about coming here to reside?

Out of a total of just short of 450m people only 5m (0.2%) think the freedom is actually worth acting upon!!!

What's the point of it really if you look at it that way?

200How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 19:52

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:I have no idea what you think you are proving by quoting numbers showing 3m people from the EU moving here compared to 2m British moving the other way. Since the population of the EU excluding the UK is 380m and the UK population is 67m your figures show proportionately far more UK citizens moving to the EU than the other way round i.e. the exact opposite of what you appear to be arguing.

And incidentally it is vice versa not visa-versa.

Think you proved my point actually.

Out of 67m UK people only 2m think the 'freedoms' to go to EU countries is so worthwhile and more so that out of 380m EU citizens only 3m think it's worth bothering about coming here to reside?

Out of a total of just short of 450m people only 5m (0.2%) think the freedom is actually worth acting upon!!!

What's the point of it really if you look at it that way?

You said "You might even wish to consider if those choices we had whilst we were in the EU for all those years were indeed so 'good' and 'free' then why has{sic} more people immigrated into GB from the EU than visa-versa?"

So when I demonstrate that proportionately the exact opposite to what you said is true you claim that I proved your point. Rolling Eyes

201How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 20:00

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:I have no idea what you think you are proving by quoting numbers showing 3m people from the EU moving here compared to 2m British moving the other way. Since the population of the EU excluding the UK is 380m and the UK population is 67m your figures show proportionately far more UK citizens moving to the EU than the other way round i.e. the exact opposite of what you appear to be arguing.

And incidentally it is vice versa not visa-versa.

Think you proved my point actually.

Out of 67m UK people only 2m think the 'freedoms' to go to EU countries is so worthwhile and more so that out of 380m EU citizens only 3m think it's worth bothering about coming here to reside?

Out of a total of just short of 450m people only 5m (0.2%) think the freedom is actually worth acting upon!!!

What's the point of it really if you look at it that way?

You said "You might even wish to consider if those choices we had whilst we were in the EU for all those years were indeed so 'good' and 'free' then why has{sic} more people immigrated into GB from the EU than visa-versa?"

So when I demonstrate that proportionately the exact opposite to what you said is true you claim that I proved your point.  Rolling Eyes


Yes you did - you gave the population sizes - which allowed me to show the context of it all - namely that only 0.2% of everybody who could do so - actually did!

How is 'losing' that such a 'devastating loss' to anyone other than for those 0.2% who actually bothered to take advantage of it?

PS - I'm dyslexic.

If the best comebacks you can make are just pointing out the grammatical errors I make, then maybe it is better that you keep them to yourself.

Have a nice day.

202How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 20:04

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Sluffy wrote:

If the best comebacks you can make are just pointing out the grammatical errors I make, then maybe it is better that you keep them to yourself.


Maybe you shouldn't point out errors that other posters make then.

People who live in glass houses ...

203How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 20:20

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

If the best comebacks you can make are just pointing out the grammatical errors I make, then maybe it is better that you keep them to yourself.


Maybe you shouldn't point out errors that other posters make then.

People who live in glass houses ...

There's a significant factual difference in the meaning of a government 'inquiry' and that of a government 'enquiry'.

That was why I pointed it out.

If it has caused you to react so petulantly ever since then I suggest it says far more about you as a poster than what my dyslexia says about me.

204How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue May 19 2020, 23:09

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

If the best comebacks you can make are just pointing out the grammatical errors I make, then maybe it is better that you keep them to yourself.


Maybe you shouldn't point out errors that other posters make then.

People who live in glass houses ...

There's a significant factual difference in the meaning of a government 'inquiry' and that of a government 'enquiry'.

That was why I pointed it out.

If it has caused you to react so petulantly ever since then I suggest it says far more about you as a poster than what my dyslexia says about me.


First of all I said official enquiry not government enquiry. Second there is no room for misunderstanding my meaning even though I typed enquiry not inquiry. Try googling either term if you don't believe me.

So I very much doubt that your correction was designed to clarify matters.

205How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 20 2020, 00:22

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

If the best comebacks you can make are just pointing out the grammatical errors I make, then maybe it is better that you keep them to yourself.


Maybe you shouldn't point out errors that other posters make then.

People who live in glass houses ...

There's a significant factual difference in the meaning of a government 'inquiry' and that of a government 'enquiry'.

That was why I pointed it out.

If it has caused you to react so petulantly ever since then I suggest it says far more about you as a poster than what my dyslexia says about me.


First of all I said official enquiry not government enquiry. Second there is no room for misunderstanding my meaning even though I typed enquiry not inquiry. Try googling either term if you don't believe me.

So I very much doubt that your correction was designed to clarify matters.


Enquiry is to 'ask'.

Inquiry is to 'investigate'.

An 'official' is a member of a public office or institution, therefore an official enquiry (as you wrote) could be as mundane as say the British Museum (which is a public institution) contacting you to ask if you found your visit there to be enjoyable.

A public inquiry on the other hand is an official review ordered by a government department.

As only those in elected power have the authority to authorise such governmental departmental official reviews (inquiries) it automatically follows that they are also commonly referred to as government inquiries as a colloquialism thereof.

If you want to continue acting in such a childish, brooding and utterly petty way simply because I corrected you over your clear misunderstood/misinformed point you made, then we might as well pull the plug on the forum now and be done with it as there are precious few of us posting on here these days and even fewer (if anyone at all) who wants to be bothered with what clearly seems to be an ongoing and seemingly growing grievance with me because of it.

206How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 20 2020, 08:33

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

If the best comebacks you can make are just pointing out the grammatical errors I make, then maybe it is better that you keep them to yourself.


Maybe you shouldn't point out errors that other posters make then.

People who live in glass houses ...

There's a significant factual difference in the meaning of a government 'inquiry' and that of a government 'enquiry'.

That was why I pointed it out.

If it has caused you to react so petulantly ever since then I suggest it says far more about you as a poster than what my dyslexia says about me.


First of all I said official enquiry not government enquiry. Second there is no room for misunderstanding my meaning even though I typed enquiry not inquiry. Try googling either term if you don't believe me.

So I very much doubt that your correction was designed to clarify matters.


Enquiry is to 'ask'.

Inquiry is to 'investigate'.

An 'official' is a member of a public office or institution, therefore an official enquiry (as you wrote) could be as mundane as say the British Museum (which is a public institution) contacting you to ask if you found your visit there to be enjoyable.

A public inquiry on the other hand is an official review ordered by a government department.  

As only those in elected power have the authority to authorise such governmental departmental official reviews (inquiries) it automatically follows that they are also commonly referred to as government inquiries as a colloquialism thereof.

If you want to continue acting in such a childish, brooding and utterly petty way simply because I corrected you over your clear misunderstood/misinformed point you made, then we might as well pull the plug on the forum now and be done with it as there are precious few of us posting on here these days and even fewer (if anyone at all) who wants to be bothered with what clearly seems to be an ongoing and seemingly growing grievance with me because of it.

You obviously did not google either term. I did not misunderstand or misinform as the context clearly demonstrates. What do you think I meant by writing "an official enquiry appointed by this government"? What would anybody understand this to mean? It is synonymous with "an official review ordered by a government department".

You are simply being pedantic purely to avoid admitting you are wrong. What is worse you then resort to abusing me for continuing to try to reason with you.

Sadly the person being petty is you. If you use this as an excuse to take the forum down that is very much your choice but it will be a pity.

207How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 20 2020, 10:56

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

If the best comebacks you can make are just pointing out the grammatical errors I make, then maybe it is better that you keep them to yourself.


Maybe you shouldn't point out errors that other posters make then.

People who live in glass houses ...

There's a significant factual difference in the meaning of a government 'inquiry' and that of a government 'enquiry'.

That was why I pointed it out.

If it has caused you to react so petulantly ever since then I suggest it says far more about you as a poster than what my dyslexia says about me.


First of all I said official enquiry not government enquiry. Second there is no room for misunderstanding my meaning even though I typed enquiry not inquiry. Try googling either term if you don't believe me.

So I very much doubt that your correction was designed to clarify matters.


Enquiry is to 'ask'.

Inquiry is to 'investigate'.

An 'official' is a member of a public office or institution, therefore an official enquiry (as you wrote) could be as mundane as say the British Museum (which is a public institution) contacting you to ask if you found your visit there to be enjoyable.

A public inquiry on the other hand is an official review ordered by a government department.  

As only those in elected power have the authority to authorise such governmental departmental official reviews (inquiries) it automatically follows that they are also commonly referred to as government inquiries as a colloquialism thereof.

If you want to continue acting in such a childish, brooding and utterly petty way simply because I corrected you over your clear misunderstood/misinformed point you made, then we might as well pull the plug on the forum now and be done with it as there are precious few of us posting on here these days and even fewer (if anyone at all) who wants to be bothered with what clearly seems to be an ongoing and seemingly growing grievance with me because of it.

You obviously did not google either term. I did not misunderstand or misinform as the context clearly demonstrates. What do you think I meant by writing "an official enquiry appointed by this government"? What would anybody understand this to mean? It is synonymous with "an official review ordered by a government department".

You are simply being pedantic purely to avoid admitting you are wrong. What is worse you then resort to abusing me for continuing to try to reason with you.

Sadly the person being petty is you. If you use this as an excuse to take the forum down that is very much your choice but it will be a pity.


I'm being petty???

Your the one whose been following me around for the last week or so acting like a petulant child, looking for my grammar errors and gleefully pointing them out as and when you find them - which, as I'm dyslexic, will be ongoing and often - and all because I put you right on a mistake you made (no doubt which was borne out of ignorance).

You're even still banging on that you were correct but you weren't, an "official enquiry appointed by the government" means ASKING a question - so for instance it would mean say sending every household a questionnaire form next year to fill in for a one off study they are doing to see what we thought about being in lockdown.  That is significantly different from what you had intended to say.

If you desperately want a link from Google then here you are - 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=ivbEXv-PFbGIhbIPkqyV6AQ&q=public+inquiry&oq=public+inquiry&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMggIABCDARCRAjIFCAAQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoECAAQRzoECAAQDVDVV1iEW2CndGgAcAF4AIABPIgBb5IBATKYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab

A tribunal of inquiry is an official review of events or actions ordered by a government body. In many common law countries, such as the United Kingdom...

Typical events for a public inquiry are those that cause multiple death...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_inquiry

As for abusing you???

If you mean saying that I think you are being petulant, childish and petty over this, then I do - I'm sure no one considers that to be abusive in the slightest - and most if not all reading through this will no doubt be having similar thoughts.

Quite frankly I've had more than enough of it all now.

This place hasn't been fun since Brexit and Ken Anderson and the hatred from Bread and Wanderlust and the endless arguments deliberately engendered by a certain few for their own amusement at a cost to everybody else's enjoyment on here.

It's turned into a massive chore logging into Nuts for me to continually deal with the trolls and those with mental issues, why would I want to continue to keep paying out of my own pocket to do that?

The site's paid up until October and it's up to whoever's left to pay for it from then on - or simply let it fold.

Adios and keep well.

Time for me to go.

208How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 20 2020, 11:09

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:
@xmiles wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

If the best comebacks you can make are just pointing out the grammatical errors I make, then maybe it is better that you keep them to yourself.


Maybe you shouldn't point out errors that other posters make then.

People who live in glass houses ...

There's a significant factual difference in the meaning of a government 'inquiry' and that of a government 'enquiry'.

That was why I pointed it out.

If it has caused you to react so petulantly ever since then I suggest it says far more about you as a poster than what my dyslexia says about me.


First of all I said official enquiry not government enquiry. Second there is no room for misunderstanding my meaning even though I typed enquiry not inquiry. Try googling either term if you don't believe me.

So I very much doubt that your correction was designed to clarify matters.


Enquiry is to 'ask'.

Inquiry is to 'investigate'.

An 'official' is a member of a public office or institution, therefore an official enquiry (as you wrote) could be as mundane as say the British Museum (which is a public institution) contacting you to ask if you found your visit there to be enjoyable.

A public inquiry on the other hand is an official review ordered by a government department.  

As only those in elected power have the authority to authorise such governmental departmental official reviews (inquiries) it automatically follows that they are also commonly referred to as government inquiries as a colloquialism thereof.

If you want to continue acting in such a childish, brooding and utterly petty way simply because I corrected you over your clear misunderstood/misinformed point you made, then we might as well pull the plug on the forum now and be done with it as there are precious few of us posting on here these days and even fewer (if anyone at all) who wants to be bothered with what clearly seems to be an ongoing and seemingly growing grievance with me because of it.

You obviously did not google either term. I did not misunderstand or misinform as the context clearly demonstrates. What do you think I meant by writing "an official enquiry appointed by this government"? What would anybody understand this to mean? It is synonymous with "an official review ordered by a government department".

You are simply being pedantic purely to avoid admitting you are wrong. What is worse you then resort to abusing me for continuing to try to reason with you.

Sadly the person being petty is you. If you use this as an excuse to take the forum down that is very much your choice but it will be a pity.


I'm being petty???

Your the one whose been following me around for the last week or so acting like a petulant child, looking for my grammar errors and gleefully pointing them out as and when you find them - which, as I'm dyslexic, will be ongoing and often - and all because I put you right on a mistake you made (no doubt which was borne out of ignorance).

You're even still banging on that you were correct but you weren't, an "official enquiry appointed by the government" means ASKING a question - so for instance it would mean say sending every household a questionnaire form next year to fill in for a one off study they are doing to see what we thought about being in lockdown.  That is significantly different from what you had intended to say.

If you desperately want a link from Google then here you are - 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=ivbEXv-PFbGIhbIPkqyV6AQ&q=public+inquiry&oq=public+inquiry&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMggIABCDARCRAjIFCAAQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoECAAQRzoECAAQDVDVV1iEW2CndGgAcAF4AIABPIgBb5IBATKYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab

A tribunal of inquiry is an official review of events or actions ordered by a government body. In many common law countries, such as the United Kingdom...

Typical events for a public inquiry are those that cause multiple death...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_inquiry

As for abusing you???

If you mean saying that I think you are being petulant, childish and petty over this, then I do - I'm sure no one considers that to be abusive in the slightest - and most if not all reading through this will no doubt be having similar thoughts.

Quite frankly I've had more than enough of it all now.

This place hasn't been fun since Brexit and Ken Anderson and the hatred from Bread and Wanderlust and the endless arguments deliberately engendered by a certain few for their own amusement at a cost to everybody else's enjoyment on here.

It's turned into a massive chore logging into Nuts for me to continually deal with the trolls and those with mental issues, why would I want to continue to keep paying out of my own pocket to do that?

The site's paid up until October and it's up to whoever's left to pay for it from then on - or simply let it fold.

Adios and keep well.

Time for me to go.

Pedantic means excessively concerned with minor details.

Synonymous means having the same meaning as another word or phrase.

Abusive means offensive and insulting, treating someone badly.

209How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 20 2020, 12:51

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Once again Sluffy blows his top because someone doesn't agree with him and is now going to let the forum close  Rolling Eyes

How much does is cost to keep this site going? If Sluffy wants to go then i'm sure KP, BTID and others like myself would be prepared to contribute to keep it going.

210How is the Tory government doing? - Page 7 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed May 20 2020, 19:57

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I blame the ST.

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