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1Just how is the Labour Opposition doing? Empty Just how is the Labour Opposition doing? on Wed Feb 19 2020, 16:52

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Much the same.

Magic Grandad still at the helm.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
They're weak, but the battles already been lost basically because the country chose to ignore their policies and focus on ploughing ahead with Breaksit - which will only be judged a year or so after we leave and that won't be for another year or so anyway. Where they are at and who is leading them when Boris's term is up is the thing that matters for Labour.

THis guy knows how to win. 3 times.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Just completed my Labour leadership ballot. Exciting times ahead. I think. Maybe.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Who did you vote for Boncey? I'm going for Starmer.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:Who did you vote for Boncey? I'm going for Starmer.
Got to pick 2 preferences from 3 and I went 1. Long-Bailey. 2. Nandy. I'm afraid Mr Starmer, despite his nice hair, got left on the shelf.
Went for Angela Rayner as first choice for deputy leader.
Don't believe Starmer has a cat in hell's chance.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
RLB is just a female version of Corbyn which won't attract old Labour voters back i reckon but we'll see. I get a vote through Unison but not seen any voting papers yet.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Norpig wrote:RLB is just a female version of Corbyn which won't attract old Labour voters back i reckon but we'll see. I get a vote through Unison but not seen any voting papers yet.

You won't as Unison has already endorsed Starmer.

Labour leadership: Unison endorses Sir Keir Starmer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51035448


(Can't believe you thought Bonce would vote for anyone other than the most extreme leftist candidate in the race. He'd be a bit of an hypocrite after all he's said on here over the years if he didn't).

Guest


Guest
‘Extreme leftist’ is way over the top. They’re all standing on a left wing platform, she’s marginally more so than the others.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:‘Extreme leftist’ is way over the top. They’re all standing on a left wing platform, she’s marginally more so than the others.
It's how the Daily Mail will portray her. Fox News are already calling Bernie Sanders a communist over in the states.
He spent his honeymoon in Moscow. (why not? Beautiful City).
He praised Castro's literacy programme. ( ..dunno..).
RLB will get similar treatment here.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
T.R.O.Y wrote:‘Extreme leftist’ is way over the top. They’re all standing on a left wing platform, she’s marginally more so than the others.

Jesus Christ, you love to argue over anything.

Is she the most extreme leftist of those remaining - yes.

If it was say Starmer v Blair, he'd vote for Starmer.

That's all I was saying

Also I doubt both Starmer or Long-Bailey believe themselves to be just marginally apart in their ideology from each other either, even if you think they are!

Guest


Guest
Just correcting a poor use of terminology, extreme left is wholly inaccurate.

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
It's Lisa Nandy all the way for me, no nonsense northern common sense can put Boris in his place. I saw her put down Andrew Neil a few weeks ago and that takes some doing.

Long- Bailey is basically Corbyn in knickers.

Starmer has the charisma of a dead donkey and always looks awkward whatever he is doing. 

Vote for Nandy or shoot yourselves in the head once again!!!!

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Whoever wins, it's a tough gig. When you get ex miners in Bolsover voting tory, you've got your work cut out.
My problem now is getting the vision of JC in knickers out of my head.
I like Nandy by the way, and wouldn't have a strop if she won it.

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Just how is the Labour Opposition doing? Images17


The rest has been censored  for all our sakes.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
T.R.O.Y wrote:Just correcting a poor use of terminology, extreme left is wholly inaccurate.

Just arguing for the sake of it (yet again) you mean.

And fwiw I never used the phrase 'extreme left' - you did!

Guest


Guest
Little wonder there’s barely any conversation on here when you write half the comments off as manufactured in some way.

Guest


Guest
@Cajunboy wrote:It's Lisa Nandy all the way for me, no nonsense northern common sense can put Boris in his place. I saw her put down Andrew Neil a few weeks ago and that takes some doing.

Long- Bailey is basically Corbyn in knickers.

Starmer has the charisma of a dead donkey and always looks awkward whatever he is doing. 

Vote for Nandy or shoot yourselves in the head once again!!!!

I like Nandy a lot, it’s between her and Starmer for me. I’m more aligned to RLB’s policies but I just don’t buy into her as a leader personally.

Interesting you say vote Nandy or we’ll be in trouble, my dad (not a Labour voter) said the exact same thing to me about Starmer last week. 

Everyone’s got a different view on what we need to do and who we need to appeal to to get back into office, but so much of this is going to hinge on when the realities of Brexit are realised. Once the failed promises start to show will voters blame those who lied to them, or the negativity of remainers?

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:Everyone’s got a different view on what we need to do and who we need to appeal to to get back into office, but so much of this is going to hinge on when the realities of Brexit are realised. Once the failed promises start to show will voters blame those who lied to them, or the negativity of remainers?

I'll definitely blame you. And xmiles.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
T.R.O.Y wrote:Little wonder there’s barely any conversation on here when you write half the comments off as manufactured in some way.

If you mean by 'manufactured' as in your attempts to start arguments over nothing then better the site is quieter then have to read such fakery all the time.

Guest


Guest
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Everyone’s got a different view on what we need to do and who we need to appeal to to get back into office, but so much of this is going to hinge on when the realities of Brexit are realised. Once the failed promises start to show will voters blame those who lied to them, or the negativity of remainers?

I'll definitely blame you. And xmiles.

If that means you’ll stop avoiding me I’m happy about that.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:
@Norpig wrote:RLB is just a female version of Corbyn which won't attract old Labour voters back i reckon but we'll see. I get a vote through Unison but not seen any voting papers yet.

You won't as Unison has already endorsed Starmer.

Labour leadership: Unison endorses Sir Keir Starmer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51035448


(Can't believe you thought Bonce would vote for anyone other than the most extreme leftist candidate in the race.  He'd be a bit of an hypocrite after all he's said on here over the years if he didn't).
Yes they are endorsing him but i do still get a vote which is on its way.

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
T.R.O.Y wrote:Everyone’s got a different view on what we need to do and who we need to appeal to to get back into office, but so much of this is going to hinge on when the realities of Brexit are realised. Once the failed promises start to show will voters blame those who lied to them, or the negativity of remainers?

I'll definitely blame you. And xmiles.

No surprise there.

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
T.R.O.Y wrote:
@Cajunboy wrote:It's Lisa Nandy all the way for me, no nonsense northern common sense can put Boris in his place. I saw her put down Andrew Neil a few weeks ago and that takes some doing.

Long- Bailey is basically Corbyn in knickers.

Starmer has the charisma of a dead donkey and always looks awkward whatever he is doing. 

Vote for Nandy or shoot yourselves in the head once again!!!!

I like Nandy a lot, it’s between her and Starmer for me. I’m more aligned to RLB’s policies but I just don’t buy into her as a leader personally.

Interesting you say vote Nandy or we’ll be in trouble, my dad (not a Labour voter) said the exact same thing to me about Starmer last week. 

Everyone’s got a different view on what we need to do and who we need to appeal to to get back into office, but so much of this is going to hinge on when the realities of Brexit are realised. Once the failed promises start to show will voters blame those who lied to them, or the negativity of remainers?

Sadly too many voters are easily fooled. Boris' election campaign was based on two basic points: getting brexit done (despite the fact that if he had supported May it would have been done already on slightly better terms) and promising to fix all the problems caused by Tory austerity (ignoring the fact that we wouldn't be in the mess we are in if the Tories had not systematically underfunded all aspects of social care).

So lunatics like that mad woman on Question Time will continue to vote Tory no matter what the evidence is.

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
As someone who doesn't give a toss about labour it can die for all i care looking at the candidates as a matter of amusement it seems to me that they should go for Nandy.

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Sadly too many voters are easily fooled.
Well said XM, but you'll come around, eventually  Very Happy

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I've said Lisa Nandy literally from day 1. I think she would make a credible Opposition leader, whereas the other two have too much baggage.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:I've said Lisa Nandy literally from day 1. I think she would make a credible Opposition leader, whereas the other two have too much baggage.
Boris has more baggage than Gatwick. I'm assuming, rightly or wrongly, that you're a tory voter Glos, so, out of interest, what would it take to turn you?

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@boltonbonce wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I've said Lisa Nandy literally from day 1. I think she would make a credible Opposition leader, whereas the other two have too much baggage.
Boris has more baggage than Gatwick. I'm assuming, rightly or wrongly, that you're a tory voter Glos, so, out of interest, what would it take to turn you?
You're right, and have been for a few years now. I genuinely cannot see anything the other parties could offer that would make me change my views at this time. 
The Labour Party had one or two good ideas, but then just went what could only be described as 'ape-shit' when they tried to put it all together in a coherent manner, for the election.
Boris does bring some baggage, but most of it is to do with his private life, which doesn't interest me.

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@boltonbonce wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:I've said Lisa Nandy literally from day 1. I think she would make a credible Opposition leader, whereas the other two have too much baggage.
Boris has more baggage than Gatwick. I'm assuming, rightly or wrongly, that you're a tory voter Glos, so, out of interest, what would it take to turn you?
I think I could vote for Lisa Nandy.

Just the sound of her name on my lips gives me a thrill, the shiny hair, the ............

Sorry I have to go.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Get a grip. Oh....you have.

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