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61Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:42 am

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Sluffy wrote:

Interesting, thank you.

I somehow can't see that happening universally here in the foreseeable future because of the various football bodies have different priorities and even some like the EFL have different priorities at different levels within the tiers they manage.

Without wishing to teach you to suck eggs the PL stands alone from the EFL and broke away from them and it's basically all about earning money.  The EFL, which now is basically the stepping stone to the PL can be split in to two, the Championship where clubs are (or have) spent big to get in the PL and gone into huge debt which is sustained (or not) by the club owner and at the lower level the 'tiny' clubs simply living on gate receipts and now looking to vote in wage caps in order to keep the clubs in some sort of financial sustainability.

Corvid has caused the PL to complete their season (or hand back billions the clubs have received in advanced screening rights for games that hadn't been played, forced the EFL to play out the Championship because of legal threats from clubs seeking to get promoted to the PL but at the same time cancel L1 and L2 to save the clubs from going bust due to no revenue stream due to playing behind closed doors and imposing an artificial points per game average to determine final positions, playoff places and relegation.

You could even consider another level too, higher than the PL of a breakaway European super league as some clubs such as Real Madrid and PSG seem to have suffered huge financial losses and may well seek to form the long dreamed off 12 clubs or so in Europe playing amongst themselves and pocketing all the broadcast rights that would undoubtedly come there way.

I think this latter European Super League would be more in line with the Nationwide sport bodies you have become accustomed to in the USA.

All just my opinion of course but I don't think anybody in their right minds would deposit £25m on escrow to buy a club of Wigan's size with a current trading deficit projected for the next two years, with crowds of less than 10k (that's when crowds are allowed in!) who in all likelihood will have to pay say £10m to buy the club, stadium and assets (and possibly a further £24.5m for this mysterious interest free loan that may or may not be genuine???).

I just can't see such a model working at the moment for the EFL.

Maybe there will be a required rethink following Covid but as it stands the clubs vote on proposals and as we've seen they always vote in the best interests of them rather thanselves the best interest of the sport.
Good answer... but I believe (and this is the first I have actually looked at this), that the escrow is on the players salaries and based on a percentage... whether 30% or so. But it would be the players association that would have to push for it.  The Wigan debacle is truly a warning for all leagues... moving money around like Donald Trump would do.  Too many losers in this... players, fans, staff, vendors... though we are lucky to still be around ourselves. Too many charlatans like Trump out there, who say they are the best, and leave the entities in shambles without anyone getting paid.  Today, one of the baseball teams had 4 players test positive for covid.  Many NBA players have also fallen to covid.  It will be interesting to see if the leagues can actually complete their seasons.  Sports has to take a distant second to survival... so please wear a mask (said to everyone)!

62Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:08 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
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A 30 minute interview with Maguire on Wigan.

A few days out of date and I'm not a fan of his but his conclusion was that in the circumstances the club finds itself in (relegated, fire sale of players to bring in revenue, games behind closed doors, limited sponsorship appeal, etc) that the club may will end up being sold to a 'bad' owner such as a Ken Anderson or Bassini type!

63Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:32 pm

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It's a very difficult situation for any potential buyer. I believe a new potential buyer got involved on Friday, but how do you invest when you don't know what division you'll be in and what payments you'll receive? 
Presumably they'll have to clear out a few players to help make the situation more transparent but that can't happen overnight especially as the players will want a say in where they're going and payday is at the end of this week.
Likely they won't get paid so that should sharpen minds.
Never thought I'd say it but I do feel for them. In this situation it's almost inevitable that there'll be a few sharks looking for a killing circling the club.

64Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 pm

Whitesince63


Nicolas Anelka
Nicolas Anelka
I think their situation is dire lusty. I’m struggling to see how they’ll be able to sell players for the millions they need when if they’re not paid this month they can walk in a couple of weeks for nothing. The EFL decision appeal result is scheduled for Friday so no final decision is likely before then so for Wigan fans it’s squeaky bum time. Personally I hope someone decent does take them on, I don’t want them to be another Bury.

65Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:43 pm

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Whitesince63 wrote:I think their situation is dire lusty. I’m struggling to see how they’ll be able to sell players for the millions they need when if they’re not paid this month they can walk in a couple of weeks for nothing. The EFL decision appeal result is scheduled for Friday so no final decision is likely before then so for Wigan fans it’s squeaky bum time. Personally I hope someone decent does take them on, I don’t want them to be another Bury.
I know it's too late now but this is exactly why we should support Lisa Nandy's petition for proper owner vetting - which should be taken out of the hands of the EFL who clearly can't do it.

66Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:00 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@Whitesince63 wrote:I think their situation is dire lusty. I’m struggling to see how they’ll be able to sell players for the millions they need when if they’re not paid this month they can walk in a couple of weeks for nothing. The EFL decision appeal result is scheduled for Friday so no final decision is likely before then so for Wigan fans it’s squeaky bum time. Personally I hope someone decent does take them on, I don’t want them to be another Bury.
I know it's too late now but this is exactly why we should support Lisa Nandy's petition for proper owner vetting - which should be taken out of the hands of the EFL who clearly can't do it.

No one can do it though, it even takes all the powers of the the government years to do something similar...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51387364

...so how do you expect clubs to wait years before they can be given the green light to have a new owner?

They would long since have folded before that could happen.

All you can do - and common law is based on this - is that you take all reasonable precautions - and that's what the EFL attempt to do.

The club was sold by the club owner to himself - who had owned the club for over a year already - and gave proof of funding that his new company had sufficient funds to continue to do so.

How would anyone not say that was proper vetting at the time?

The problem was that the new business was taken over by someone else and put into Administration on that day - how can anyone stop that let alone the EFL???

67Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:43 pm

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

No one can do it though, it even takes all the powers of the the government years to do something similar...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51387364

...so how do you expect clubs to wait years before they can be given the green light to have a new owner?

They would long since have folded before that could happen.

All you can do - and common law is based on this - is that you take all reasonable precautions - and that's what the EFL attempt to do.

The club was sold by the club owner to himself - who had owned the club for over a year already - and gave proof of funding that his new company had sufficient funds to continue to do so.

How would anyone not say that was proper vetting at the time?

The problem was that the new business was taken over by someone else and put into Administration on that day - how can anyone stop that let alone the EFL???
The Owners and Directors test is clearly not fit for purpose and whilst changes to make it more robust, have annual checks and review the definition of "fit and proper" were discussed in 2018, the EFL decided to do nothing about it despite the ongoing carnage for many clubs.
Loopholes need to be closed and that would require football being made a special case as I suggested earlier in the thread. 
For example, using club funds to pay off debts the owner may have accrued from other business interests could and should be banned. Repayment of Director's loans should be reviewed in the context of the clubs ability to pay rather than being on demand. Potential Owners of Football clubs should be made aware of these and other commitments before diving in. This and other measures to protect the institution of football would require Government intervention hence Lisa Nandy's petition.
The timing issue is tricky to resolve but some of the issues could be ameliorated by introducing a Prospective Owners Register wherein anyone thinking about buying a club should register in advance giving time for rigorous checks to be made and then providing a pre-vetted list. Anyone on the list would have to provide annual updates and notify of any changes in circumstances. Breach of the new regulations could be made a criminal offence to further discourage cowboys. Selling on the club should only be to people already vetted on the register. Not perfect but a step in the right direction.

68Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:01 pm

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I thought it was the case so I just checked. Director's Loan repayments are presumed to be on demand unless the loan agreement specifies repayment clauses which can be inserted at the beginning. Making it mandatory that such clauses to protect the club would be brilliant.

69Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:32 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:The Owners and Directors test is clearly not fit for purpose and whilst changes to make it more robust, have annual checks and review the definition of "fit and proper" were discussed in 2018, the EFL decided to do nothing about it despite the ongoing carnage for many clubs.
Loopholes need to be closed and that would require football being made a special case as I suggested earlier in the thread. 
For example, using club funds to pay off debts the owner may have accrued from other business interests could and should be banned. Repayment of Director's loans should be reviewed in the context of the clubs ability to pay rather than being on demand. Potential Owners of Football clubs should be made aware of these and other commitments before diving in. This and other measures to protect the institution of football would require Government intervention hence Lisa Nandy's petition.
The timing issue is tricky to resolve but some of the issues could be ameliorated by introducing a Prospective Owners Register wherein anyone thinking about buying a club should register in advance giving time for rigorous checks to be made and then providing a pre-vetted list. Anyone on the list would have to provide annual updates and notify of any changes in circumstances. Breach of the new regulations could be made a criminal offence to further discourage cowboys. Selling on the club should only be to people already vetted on the register. Not perfect but a step in the right direction.

I think you live on a different planet then.

You are talking about English football being a special case which would obviously apply to regulatory authorities throughout the world, what's happened at Wigan is by a company registered in the Virgin Islands and regulated by the HK Stock Exchange - do you really believe they are bothered about a 'members club' which the EFL effectively are, overseeing second to fourth tier football in England???

Of course they aren't.

Has the company that put Wigan into Admin even broke any laws as it certainly doesn't seem like it to me, they have in effect simply gone about liquidating an asset to raise cash which they are quite entitled to do.

Yes it does seem somewhat 'suspicious' how they've gone about it but illegal, I doubt it.

As for your cockeyed idea of people and companies (companies can buy businesses to, it doesn't have to be just people) would submit themselves for scrutiny (when many are registered in offshore country's for all sorts of reasons - and not necessarily illegal ones too) just on the off chance they might buy a football club in England is absurd and enforcing they keep such information up to date by or any other breach a 'criminal' offence is to bizarre for words!!!

I'll tell you now, that isn't going to be happening.

Non of it is.

As for Nandy she's only saying these things because she's the local MP - so did our 3 (and two Baronesses as well) when we were in Admin - that's what is required of them at times like this - if they want voting back in at the next elections!

Nandy was a Bury girl, I can't remember her making any fuss last summer when they were getting kicked out of the league.

It's just all for show, it isn't really going to happen.



70Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:39 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:I thought it was the case so I just checked. Director's Loan repayments are presumed to be on demand unless the loan agreement specifies repayment clauses which can be inserted at the beginning. Making it mandatory that such clauses to protect the club would be brilliant.

Eh?

Is it me?

Directors would then simply make sure the loan is subject to payment on demand as part of their agreement of making the loan in the first place.

It's as easy (and as obvious) as that.

I thought you claimed to know about these things???

71Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:15 am

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

Eh?

Is it me?

Directors would then simply make sure the loan is subject to payment on demand as part of their agreement of making the loan in the first place.

It's as easy (and as obvious) as that.

I thought you claimed to know about these things???

You really do have a narrow view of business matters and I honestly can't be arsed to write war and peace to explain to you what goes on in the real world.

72Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:47 am

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

Eh?

Is it me?

Directors would then simply make sure the loan is subject to payment on demand as part of their agreement of making the loan in the first place.

It's as easy (and as obvious) as that.

I thought you claimed to know about these things???

You really do have a narrow view of business matters and I honestly can't be arsed to write war and peace to explain to you what goes on in the real world.

Hahaha!

You do make me laugh!!!

In the real world if you want to take a loan from the business you can set your own terms for repayment, usually you intend to have it repaid without the company going bust or in Admin so most don't bother because if the company does go bust or the Administrators come in, you have to pay it all back anyway and that's why the 'presumption' is that it is repaid on demand.

You simply don't have to make it 'mandatory' because it already is, in that you are 'personally' liable for it are not covered by 'limited liability', if you've taken more out of the business than you have put in!

73Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:13 pm

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

Hahaha!

You do make me laugh!!!

In the real world if you want to take a loan from the business you can set your own terms for repayment, usually you intend to have it repaid without the company going bust or in Admin so most don't bother because if the company does go bust or the Administrators come in, you have to pay it all back anyway and that's why the 'presumption' is that it is repaid on demand.

You simply don't have to make it 'mandatory' because it already is, in that you are 'personally' liable for it are not covered by 'limited liability', if you've taken more out of the business than you have put in!
I'm sorry but you do come across as being inacapable of blue sky/thinking out of the box or whatever you want to call it. Reminds me of some of the civil servants and regional government officers I used to advise i.e. "these are the rules/this is the law/we've always done it this way" limited thinking. Laws and rules can and often are changed if there's a need and the will to do so - ergo there is no point in citing the current situation in a discussion about what might be done in the future to resolve the crisis.

74Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:16 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

Hahaha!

You do make me laugh!!!

In the real world if you want to take a loan from the business you can set your own terms for repayment, usually you intend to have it repaid without the company going bust or in Admin so most don't bother because if the company does go bust or the Administrators come in, you have to pay it all back anyway and that's why the 'presumption' is that it is repaid on demand.

You simply don't have to make it 'mandatory' because it already is, in that you are 'personally' liable for it are not covered by 'limited liability', if you've taken more out of the business than you have put in!
I'm sorry but you do come across as being inacapable of blue sky/thinking out of the box or whatever you want to call it. Reminds me of some of the civil servants and regional government officers I used to advise i.e. "these are the rules/this is the law/we've always done it this way" limited thinking. Laws and rules can and often are changed if there's a need and the will to do so - ergo there is no point in citing the current situation in a discussion about what might be done in the future to resolve the crisis.

Hahaha!

Now we've got to the petulant child outburst!

"I'm right and everybody else is always wrong"

You say used to advise civil servants and regional government officers and they obviously thought you were spouting utter bollocks too!!!!!

And finally "crisis"?

What 'crisis'????

We are talking about a private members club who regulates a level of football (not even the top level!!!), based in a country that most of the world is no longer much bothered about, where a handful of their members have had some ownership/trading issues in which just one of them 'may' (and I stress the word 'may') have been subject to company fraud and you want to change how the whole world financially regulates itself!!!!

I don't call that 'blue sky/thinking outside the box', I call that the insane  ramblings of an utter nutjob.

Which it is.




Being serious, why can't you just sometimes admit (even if it's only to yourself) you've got it wrong when surely even you realise that you have, rather than keep digging the hole deeper and deeper for yourself?

What are you trying to prove and to whom?

Nobody actually cares on here who is right or wrong but they can all see who is spouting bullshit and who isn't.

And it certainly isn't me.

75Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:40 pm

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

Hahaha!

Now we've got to the petulant child outburst!

"I'm right and everybody else is always wrong"

You say used to advise civil servants and regional government officers and they obviously thought you were spouting utter bollocks too!!!!!

And finally "crisis"?

What 'crisis'????

We are talking about a private members club who regulates a level of football (not even the top level!!!), based in a country that most of the world is no longer much bothered about, where a handful of their members have had some ownership/trading issues in which just one of them 'may' (and I stress the word 'may') have been subject to company fraud and you want to change how the whole world financially regulates itself!!!!

I don't call that 'blue sky/thinking outside the box', I call that the insane  ramblings of an utter nutjob.

Which it is.




Being serious, why can't you just sometimes admit (even if it's only to yourself) you've got it wrong when surely even you realise that you have, rather than keep digging the hole deeper and deeper for yourself?

What are you trying to prove and to whom?

Nobody actually cares on here who is right or wrong but they can all see who is spouting bullshit and who isn't.

And it certainly isn't me.
Oh dear.

76Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:47 am

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
Barnsley will be allowed to make their views known in Wigan Athletic's appeal against their 12-point penalty for going into administration.

The Latics' hearing in front of an independent disciplinary commission is set to take place on Friday.

Wigan are appealing against the automatic punishment on the grounds of 'force majeure'.

Should Wigan win their case, it would relegate Barnsley, who finished fourth from bottom in the Championship.

The Tykes were bottom of the table with two games to go but beat both Nottingham Forest and Brentford to finish above Wigan, who would have ended the season in mid-table but for their points deduction.

Force majeure events are usually defined as certain acts, events or circumstances beyond the control of the involved parties, such as natural disasters, war or a pandemic.

It is likely Barnsley will argue for the punishment to remain in place given co-chairman Paul Conway threatened litigation earlier this month after becoming frustrated at the number of serious disciplinary matters put before the EFL this season that are still awaiting resolution.

Even after their survival had been secured, Barnsley issued a statement in which they complained about the "blatant disregard for sporting/competitive integrity and the lack of governance in our division".

The final game of the Championship season is on 4 August, when the play-off final will be held at Wembley.

The expectation is a decision in the Wigan case will be made next week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53583068


To my mind the owner putting the club into Administration is not Force Majeure, it's a deliberate action which is definitely in control of a key involved party - but if it's got as far as the courts there must be something in their case to fight for.

I feel sorry for Wigan, they so nearly stayed up - and quite frankly with 11 more points than Barnsley deserved to do so, but I also feel sorry for Barnsley who have done nothing wrong and winning their last two games including a win at Brentford(!) deserve to stay up too!

It will be interesting to see how this plays out but on the face of things Wigan don't have a cat in hell's chance of staying up - unless they have an ace up their sleeve!

77Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:55 am

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
To add to Wigan's woe, their manager Paul Cook has quit.

I say has quit but he won't go until after the appeal (and Administration?) is sorted.

The gossip is that he was going to get the Bristol City job and handed in his notice but the Administrator refused to accept it - as there might be compensation payable from Bristol if he remains under contract.

I'm guessing he most be getting his wages otherwise he could walk after giving two weeks notice from a month after they were due.

Maybe that's the actual position anyway but the gossip as I say was that he quit and the Administrator would not let him go.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53574865

78Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:43 am

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sheff Wednesday deducted 12 points for finacial irregularities  - but for next season.
If they'd have been applied this season the Owls would have finished bottom and been relegated. Hmmm....

79Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:51 am

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
Paul Cook: Wigan Athletic manager resigns after three years in charge

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53613205

80Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:18 pm

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
The guy who had his finger on the pulse re Wigans demise feels like they will win the apppeal.
https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/barnsley-will-go-down.106908/

81Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:01 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wessy wrote:The guy who had his finger on the pulse re Wigans demise feels like they will win the apppeal.
https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/barnsley-will-go-down.106908/

I'm not as confident as him.

He seems to be setting his stall out over Force Majeure and highlights this bit -

12.3.11 For the purposes of this Regulation 12.3, a ‘Force Majeure’ event shall be an event that, having regard to all of the circumstances, was caused by and resulted directly from circumstances, other than normal business risks, over which the Club and/or Group Undertaking (as the case may be) could not reasonably be expected to have control and its Officials had used all due diligence to avoid the happening of that event.

Clearly the owner putting a company into Administration to sell or liquidate an asset is definitely something the 'owner' has a control of.

What the paragraph says in a nutshell is that (and I'll couch it in Bolton terms to make it easier to understand) if Bolton Wanderers Football and Athletic Ltd, or the Group Undertaking, which would be Burnden Leisure had taken all due diligence and things went pear shaped and they could do nothing about it, then yes, it would be seen as Force Majeure and in that case result in no penalty points.

But the question arises when the one above Burnden Leisure, which in our case is FV is seen to be the Group Holding or not because if it is, then Force Majeure would not apply and the penalty would still stand.

I think there may even be some sort of previous precedence too (although I might be remembering things wrongly?) when some clubs equivalent to FV went bust and the club received a points deduction resulting from it - although if it was relevant I would have thought others might have mentioned it before?

To my mind the case hinges on who is seen to be the Group Holding, with the Administrators clearly having the view it is the Burnden Leisure equivalent and not the FV company equivalent.

I've nothing against Wigan and wish them well but I don't think the case is as black and white as he thinks it to be.

To be honest though their problems are bigger than which division they are in next season, their first concern is if they can find a buyer prepared to spend millions with no obvious plan to recoup their investment, during a pandemic, and no sight of when crowds will be allowed to watch games - and all this with the season being only 6 weeks away and nobody has even had a look at the clubs books yet!

82Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:33 pm

Hip Priest

Hip Priest
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
When Bury were going through their expulsion crisis I was absolutely gutted for them and their fans, even though they have been fierce rivals of ours whenever we have been in the same division. Likewise with other financially mismanaged clubs like Portsmouth, Blackpool, Charlton etc, my heart went out to their fans and I mourned the state of modern football and it's financial stupidities.

I know it's churlish but with Wigan, no matter how often I try to consider things rationally I can't stop myself wanting them to get punished and relegated. I realise I should be wishing them well from a "We're all part of the same footballing family" type of mentality but in reality if the league decided to relegate them by 2 divisions into L2 then that would be just fine by me.

I don't really know why this is, and I will no doubt get some stick on here for expressing these views, but for some reason I really don't like Wigan fans. I know in reality that they are no different than any other bunch of fans but the ones I encounter just seem to come across as mouthy, slow witted (often proudly racist) yonners.
The memories of so many of them laughing and taking the piss out of us when we were threatened with liquidation probably doesn't help either.

83Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:45 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Hip Priest wrote:When Bury were going through their expulsion from the league crisis I was absolutely gutted for them and their fans, even though they have been fierce rivals of ours whenever we have been in the same division. Likewise with other financially mismanaged clubs like Portsmouth, Blackpool, Charlton etc, my heart went out to their fans and I mourned the state of modern football and it's financial stupidities.

I know it's churlish but with Wigan, no matter how often I try to consider things rationally I can't stop myself wanting them to get punished and relegated. I realise I should be wishing them well from a "We're all part of the same footballing family" type of mentality but in reality if the league decided to relegate them by 2 divisions into L2 I would be absolutely chuffed.

I don't really know why this is, and I will no doubt get some stick on here for expressing these views,  but for some reason I really don't like Wigan fans. I know in reality that they are no different than any other bunch of fans but the ones I encounter just seem to come across as mouthy, slow witted (often proudly racist) yonners.
The memories of so many of them laughing and taking the piss out of us when we were threatened with liquidation probably doesn't help either.

No stick from me.

I'm sorry for their true and decent fans, but there seemed rather too many obnoxious ones when we were going through our woes.

We've got plenty obnoxious fans ourself of course, all teams have, but I certainly didn't see much support for our club from many of them (if any at all?).

For the good of football, I don't like how they have got into the mess. and having a local rival on our doorstep I do hope they cling on but things are definitely not looking rosy for them from where I stand.

84Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:43 pm

observer


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Sluffy wrote:

No stick from me.

I'm sorry for their true and decent fans, but there seemed rather too many obnoxious ones when we were going through our woes.

We've got plenty obnoxious fans ourself of course, all teams have, but I certainly didn't see much support for our club from many of them (if any at all?).

For the good of football, I don't like how they have got into the mess. and having a local rival on our doorstep I do hope they cling on but things are definitely not looking rosy for them from where I stand.
Good that you are taking the high road Sluffy... especially after what our club has gone through.  We were lucky to survive.

85Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:56 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@observer wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

No stick from me.

I'm sorry for their true and decent fans, but there seemed rather too many obnoxious ones when we were going through our woes.

We've got plenty obnoxious fans ourself of course, all teams have, but I certainly didn't see much support for our club from many of them (if any at all?).

For the good of football, I don't like how they have got into the mess. and having a local rival on our doorstep I do hope they cling on but things are definitely not looking rosy for them from where I stand.
Good that you are taking the high road Sluffy... especially after what our club has gone through.  We were lucky to survive.

I don't know that I am, I'm just saying it as I see it.

But thanks anyway!

Very Happy

86Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:59 pm

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
Yes i agree with what is said above desperate times for Wigan and to be fair football in general, with Sheff Wednesday , Derby, Charlton,Birmingham, Maccelsfield and god knows who else.

I suppose / know because we lived it that you cling to anything positive that you hear (Howard) even if it turns out to be bullshit. I worked all my life in Wigan all my best mates are Wiganers, my Dad was a Wiganer (but a Wanderer) My daughter lives in Wigan which means my Granddaughters will grow up to be Wiganers, but despite me knowing it's wrong, part of me like HP just wants them to suffer as we suffered.

I think despite the good fans that did support us in terms of they didn't want another club to go bust i read to many things on Latics Speyk that was vicious and hurtfull as was the way they danced around our stadium giving it large, i think it's those memories that turn me off Wigan, I don't want them to go bust but wouldn't cry if they got lumbered with a shit owner in division 1 with an embargo.

87Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:22 am

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wessy wrote:The guy who had his finger on the pulse re Wigans demise feels like they will win the apppeal.
https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/barnsley-will-go-down.106908/
It's an interesting read but the author comes across as a fanatic with tunnel-vision focused on this outcome happening just as he dreamed it. Makes a lot of assumptions.
And I'd question whether or not someone who was close enough to know the case would be writing this anyway?
But as Sluffy says, they have two battles: finances and the capacity to improve them - which could both be helped by staying up.
It's going to be interesting to see which way this goes as they may wriggle out of it yet.

88Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:35 pm

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin










Just to explain the next one, Kieffer More was bought by Wigan from Barnsley and the payment was in instalments, the next one due (our now already outstanding).







£12k x 52 weeks = £624k !!!







89Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:02 pm

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
How much did we sell Euxton for?

90Wigan in Administration - Page 3 Empty Re: Wigan in Administration on Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:20 pm

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:How much did we sell Euxton for?
£2.2 Million by all accounts.

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