How is the Tory government doing?

There’s nothing to argue, you made a couple of flawed comments and I’ve straightened you out. 

And you recall wrong I’m afraid, I said I’d stop engaging with you for the good of the site. I haven’t managed that too well to be fair.

T.R.O.Y. wrote: I said I’d stop engaging with you for the good of the site. I haven’t managed that too well to be fair.

Ever thought about seeking therapy?

T.R.O.Y. wrote:There’s nothing to argue, you made a couple of flawed comments and I’ve straightened you out. 

And you recall wrong I’m afraid, I said I’d stop engaging with you for the good of the site. I haven’t managed that too well to be fair.

Hahaha, really!!!

If you say so...

...I don't believe I did but it's good to know a grown man like you is dedicating himself to policing an almost desolute forum in order to identify and correct any potential "flawed comments" a random, aged, stranger such as myself may make.

And I thought my life was somewhat dull and unexciting these days!!!



Anyway I'm sure you'd like to know (if you didn't already) that the Good Law Project's, Judicial Review in respect of the governments PPE contracts starts tomorrow.

Let's see if any smoking guns are finally revealed!

Although GLP have seemed to changed their legal tack (if not their social media one) and now seems to be seeking judgement based on contracts being awarded after the first wave by the VIP route - their arguement being there was no longer an urgent need anymore and thus normal the tendering process should have replaced the emergency ones (nothing about sleaze or cronyism!).

As we now know a second wave did hit us (and even now - a year on from the first wave ending we have concerns about the Indian varient - and how it may impact on the hospitals) so I would imagine the governments case would be reasonably strong to refute this arguement?

It all depends ultimately on the judges interpretation of the written legislation that the government acted upon - and if the judge believes they did so correctly (note nothing about sleaze or cronyism again!).

Anyway we shall see!

Should be fun!

The owner telling me I should have better things to do than post on a football forum, and his assistant telling me I should seek therapy for doing so .

Brilliant, can’t believe the post count isn’t higher.

T.R.O.Y. wrote:The owner telling me I should have better things to do than post on a football forum, and his assistant telling me I should seek therapy for doing so .

Brilliant, can’t believe the post count isn’t higher.

Fwiw I didn't say that.

What I did say was simply taking the piss out of you being so far up your own arse as to be telling everyone that it was clearly important enough to you to 'straighten out' a couple of 'flawed comments' which in your opinion I had made!!!

I bet I'm not the only one who laughed at you for that!

And I'm not the site owner, just one of the original founders.

Karly and BTID are more worthy of that title than myself - although I like to think we all own the site and are all as equal as each other on here.

So stop being so precious about yourself.

Post if you want to, leave if you don't - it's your choice whatever you'd like to do.

I don’t think anyone else is reading this never mind laughing at your flawed comments to be honest Sluffy so I wouldnt worry about that if I were you.

Not sure what you’re referring to in my behaviour being precious but just to be clear I wasn’t bothered by either of the comments I just thought they were a bit ridiculous given who they came from. And certainly no danger of me leaving .

T.R.O.Y. wrote:I don’t think anyone else is reading this never mind laughing at your flawed comments to be honest Sluffy so I wouldnt worry about that if I were you.

Not sure what you’re referring to in my behaviour being precious but just to be clear I wasn’t bothered by either of the comments I just thought they were a bit ridiculous given who they came from. And certainly no danger of me leaving .

Thanks, although I wasn't worried over anybody laughing at my comments - flawed or not - I was laughing at you!

I do think we get a few readers - maybe not too many on this thread perhaps - but I have seen the content of posts that I've made posted over on WW a short time later on a number of occasions - the Gartside Leaving thread for instance being a recent example of such.

I've no problem with it though as we all support the same club, I merely mention it to evidence that people from other forums views us even though they might not like to admit openly to it!

Good to hear you're not leaving, I enjoy your posts even if you do consider some of mine to be flawed and in need of straightening out!!!

Thought this fitted in quite neatly to what I'd previously been saying about the Palestinian flag wavers...



Four men arrested in anti-Semitism video investigation

Police have arrested four men in connection with a video which appeared to show anti-Semitic abuse being shouted from a car in north London.

Boris Johnson earlier condemned the "shameful racism" aimed at British Jews, which had "no place" in society.

The person who filmed the video told the BBC they cried after witnessing the scene, adding: "I don't feel safe."

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the incident was "utterly disgusting", adding: "There must be consequences".

More here -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57137151

T.R.O.Y. wrote:The owner telling me I should have better things to do than post on a football forum, and his assistant telling me I should seek therapy for doing so .

Brilliant, can’t believe the post count isn’t higher.

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The forum is in it's dying throes TROY. As you reminded me previously, it's not worth getting wound up about. In no time at all there will be nobody else left on the site for our glorious leader to "enlighten and inform", except for his pathetic lapdog assistant and the ever popular 50p. I'm sure they'll keep one another happy composing endless vital posts about James Vince and Marcus Rashford and attract loads and loads of vibrant new posters.

Hip Priest wrote:

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The forum is in it's dying throes TROY. As you reminded me previously, it's not worth getting wound up about. In no time at all there will be nobody else left on the site for our glorious leader to "enlighten and inform", except for his pathetic lapdog assistant and the ever popular 50p. I'm sure they'll keep one another happy composing endless vital posts about James Vince and Marcus Rashford and attract loads and loads of vibrant new posters.

Hip, I have 50p on "ignore", and no longer read any contributions that a member of admin condescends to post for our enlightenment (unless they are quoted by another member whose messages are worth reading and which encourage rather than deter discussion and debate...... and don't include false accusations or deliberate, hostile, sneering attempts to belittle those whose only "mistake" has been to offer an opinion).

Sluffy wrote:Thought this fitted in quite neatly to what I'd previously been saying about the Palestinian flag wavers...



Four men arrested in anti-Semitism video investigation

Police have arrested four men in connection with a video which appeared to show anti-Semitic abuse being shouted from a car in north London.

Boris Johnson earlier condemned the "shameful racism" aimed at British Jews, which had "no place" in society.

The person who filmed the video told the BBC they cried after witnessing the scene, adding: "I don't feel safe."

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the incident was "utterly disgusting", adding: "There must be consequences".

More here -

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57137151

Thought you’d understood the point to be honest. Not every person who waves a Palestinian flag is anti-Semitic (although these bunch of twats clearly are).

T.R.O.Y. wrote:Thought you’d understood the point to be honest. Not every person who waves a Palestinian flag is anti-Semitic (although these bunch of twats clearly are).

Thought you'd understood my point to be honest.

You don't fly Palestinian (or Israeali) flags in other peoples country's when there is a 'war' going on unless you support one side and detest the other!

Normal, decent, people including Palestinians/Israels simply don't do jingoism when people on both sides are being killed.

What happened to free speech. (Just thought I would chuck that in) 

The flag is a symbol of support. Thousands marched on London under Palestinian flags at the weekend, are they all anti-Semites in your mind? 

It’s dangerous to use such terms incorrectly, but you’ve decided to label anyone who shows support for Palestine in that way with it with zero factual evidence. It’s time to look at yourself and question why you believe such things.

T.R.O.Y. wrote:The flag is a symbol of support. Thousands marched on London under Palestinian flags at the weekend, are they all anti-Semites in your mind? 

It’s dangerous to use such terms incorrectly, but you’ve decided to label anyone who shows support for Palestine in that way with it with zero factual evidence. It’s time to look at yourself and question why you believe such things.

Hahaha...right!

You really think those who are pro-Palestine are also pro Israel too?

Of course they aren't!

You don't have to be Einstein to know when people are being killed out there this very moment that those flying the flags are feeling totally passionate in their beliefs - and that equates to their desire to driving Israel's out of Palestine completely - they won't want to settle at going back to the 1967, or even the 1948, boarders!

Of course you will get the good intentioned naive's of this world who will join the crowds and wave the flags - but they don't know what they are doing.

The people I'm talking about are the anti-semetics activists because they hate Judaism anywhere let alone the Zionism of Israel having been achieved in Palestine, the right wing Neo-Nazi's and you the Sunni Muslim supporters of Iran - all of whom want to wipe Israel off the map.

Whether it was right for foriegn powers such as us (we came up with the Balfour Declaration in the first place) to determine that part of Palestine should become a new nation for the Jews is another matter - but it is far too late to change history now to do much about it - Israel exists and it won't be going away - so some form of compromise needs to be brokered that is going to be tolerable to all involved - and whipping up Palestinian jingoism*/anti Israeli sentiment is never going to allow that.

The answer is thought to be for the Arab nations to declare acceptance of Israel and isolate Iran and its puppets such as Hamas. (The Abraham Accords - see link below)

"Most Arab governments in the Gulf have little love for Hamas, a violent militant group backed by Iran that has so far fired well over 1000 rockets and missiles indiscriminately at Israeli towns. But the sympathies of those countries' Arab populations lie firmly with the Palestinians. If there was some reluctance amongst them to accept the newfound friendship with Israel after so many decades of antipathy then recent events will have only deepened their scepticism".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57105583

I'm sure someone as knowledgeable as yourself on this subject with your "comprehension of highly complex issues", would have already noted that there is no 'war' going on with the rest of Palestine under PNA (the old Fatah if you will - Yasser Arafat (or are you too young to remember him**)) administration.

I'm sure you also know the Gaza Strip where the rockets into Israel are taking place is under Hamas administartion.

The reason why is one has renounced terrorism and one hasn't - can you guess which is which?

Whilst the world is full of idealistic do-gooders such as yourself, there will always be the naive flag wavers shouting for something they don't fully understand - these people aren't anti-Semitic as such but sadly they will be standing shoulder to shoulder with the hardcore who really would like wipe Israel and Judism off the face of the planet.

If you think I'm being overdramatic then look how far IS took things when they got the chance just a couple of years ago!

* Jingoism

noun
extreme patriotism, especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy.

**  Yasser Arafat's famous speech -

Do i think Pro-Palestinians are Pro-Israeli? No never said anything like that.

Sluffy wrote:


Whilst the world is full of idealistic do-gooders such as yourself, there will always be the naive flag wavers shouting for something they don't fully understand - these people aren't anti-Semitic as such but sadly they will be standing shoulder to shoulder with the hardcore who really would like wipe Israel and Judism off the face of the planet.

Yes! That is exactly the point. So you seeing a Palestine flag and declaring the people on the end of it are anti-Semitic is incorrect - as you’ve no idea what category they fall into - and dangerous as it pushes the idea that any support of Palestine is anti-Semitic.

T.R.O.Y. wrote:Do i think Pro-Palestinians are Pro-Israeli? No never said anything like that.

Sluffy wrote:Whilst the world is full of idealistic do-gooders such as yourself, there will always be the naive flag wavers shouting for something they don't fully understand - these people aren't anti-Semitic as such but sadly they will be standing shoulder to shoulder with the hardcore who really would like to wipe Israel and Judism off the face of the planet.

Yes! That is exactly the point. So you seeing a Palestine flag and declaring the people on the end of it are anti-Semitic is incorrect - as you’ve no idea what category they fall into - and dangerous as it pushes the idea that any support of Palestine is anti-Semitic.

Hahaha...you for real????

They are sharing an anti-Semetic message!!!!

They (the naive/idealistic) are simply too dumb to realise it!

If I flew the Nazi Swastika flag because I didn't like the parliamentary system and wanted to show my solidarity with that particular cause, then don't you think I would naively also be seen to be supporting all the other more sinister and disturbing causes also associated with it too - even if I was too stupid to realise it myself?

Do you think that if I flew the flag of Islamic State because I wanted to live in a Caliphate under Shira Law and show my solidarity with that cause, don't you think I would be seen to be supporting everything else that went with it also - even though I never intended too...?

People such as you do have very good intentions - I don't deny that - but do you think the barbarity of Nazism or IS could ever have come about without naive, idealistic and gullible people backing causes (and leaderships) they never really fully understood in the first place?

There is a far bigger picture here than do gooders like you see.

In a sentence that is Iran's aim to remove the state of Israel from the map by using armed force by its proxies in this case that being Hamas - and Hamas doesn't even represent Palestine but just the part of Palestine which is the Gaza Strip.  (Hamas/Gaza Strip are the only ones fighting the 'war' NOT the rest of Palestine!).

The well intentioned such as yourself should take more notice of the wise words of the old saying before you blindly act...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_road_to_hell_is_paved_with_good_intentions

For what it is worth this is what Hamas' original Charter stated when it set itself up...

The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel. It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." The charter also states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they "stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region". The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam. The original charter was criticized for its violent language against all Jews, which some commentators characterized as incitement to genocide.

...although they have rowed back from it somewhat since BUT haven't formally renounced such views and instead Hamas say they would put it to the people as a referendum to decide.

What way do you think a subjugated Palestinian population are most likely to vote for...?

(Fwiw I don't believe they ever will put it to the people for that very reason).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

Waving a Palestinian flag is not anti-semitic at all, that's just a ridiculous statement.

Norpig wrote:Waving a Palestinian flag is not anti-semitic at all, that's just a ridiculous statement.

If you say so.