wanderlust wrote:Sluffy wrote:Surovikin won't be the biggest fish in all this, there most be others higher up on the inside of Putin's clique who wanted Putin overthrown.
...and those outside his clique including oligarchs in exile who may well have been involved in the planning. There will be a frantic witch hunt in the background but Prigozhin's (naive?) honesty and Lukashenko's incredible statement (in which he boasts that he was the one who saved Russia and Putin) released yesterday by Julia Davis are definitely having an impact on Telegram.
RT propagandists are naturally going flat out to dismiss Lukashenko as incidental (it was Putin who saved Russia from civil war) and continue to condemn Prigozhin as a traitor....but increasingly many on Telegram aren't buying it. Those that recognise the failings that Prigozhin's observations are accurate are stopping short of blaming Putin though - they're sticking with the "he was badly advised" line. I'm wondering if the state media will waver at any point? I doubt it as it would necessitate a discussion about corruption and military losses in the war - neither of which they've never fully accepted.
Oligarchs have always been part of the clique, that's why they've been allowed to become oligarchs in the first place!!!
Prigozhin wasn't being naive, he was given the green light to attack Putin and believed Surovikin and those above him would then take over and remove Putin.
Prigozhin was the stalking horse if you will.
As for what the Russian propaganda machine (for INTERNAL use only) is doing, why are you bothered?
The vast majority of the people in the Russian Federation simply believe the shit they are fed.
The vast majority of the country is still feudal.
Yes the young in big urbanised cities such as Moscow and St Petersburg will have Telegram but they aren't the ones who are fighting the war and any protests on the streets have not been seen since early last year when the invasion first started.
Of course Kremlin run state TV will obviously always big up Putin and put down everyone else including Lukashenko.
The following is what is believed to have happened - I had posted you the link to see in one of my previous posts above but you've clearly not bothered to read it - yet again - as you always do...
Lukashenko likely seeks to use the Wagner Group in Belarus to buy maneuvering space to balance against the Kremlin campaign to absorb Belarus via the Union State. Lukashenko described at length how he inserted himself into the Putin-Prigozhin conflict in a way that - if Lukashenko’s account is true - demonstrates that Lukashenko is a politically savvy actor capable of exercising influence within the upper echelons of Russian politics. Lukashenko described how he managed to broker the deal between Putin and a livid Prigozhin, who refused to answer Putin’s phone calls, by skillfully engaging both parties directly and through Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov and Russian FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov. Lukashenko’s elaborate account suggests that Lukashenko successfully mediated a crisis within Putin‘s own inner circle that Putin could not. Lukashenko intervened to mediate likely in part to signal to Putin and other senior Kremlin officials that Moscow should not trifle with Lukashenko and that Lukashenko has the ability to operate successfully and independently within Russian politics. Lukashenko’s boasting about his ability to manipulate power brokers within Putin’s innermost circle is humiliating for Putin, whether or not it is true. The fact that Putin has not challenged Lukashenko’s presentation of events and has in fact publicly thanked Lukashenko is even more humiliating.