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121How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 22 2020, 09:47

okocha

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122How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 22 2020, 10:14

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s a national embarrassment that views such as this have been fuelled by media spin and right wing lies, it should have been nipped in the bud years ago but it suited the governing party to push blame onto migration and the EU / completely disassociate austerity with having any negative consequences.

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1230625055803133953?s=21

Extreme views like this need to be exposed, questioned and debunked. We have done a shit job in doing that for years now.
I wouldn't say it's an extreme view TROY - more a perfectly valid question which deserves a competent answer. The woman clearly doesn't understand that immigration is the cornerstone of Britain's development (as we're all descended from immigrants) that it brings in more income than all the costs she is referring to and that the very services she is referring to wouldn't exist if it was not for foreign workers. I didn't watch the programme but I hope that someone has the sense to educate her.

123How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 22 2020, 12:44

Guest


Guest
You think the view that we should immediately close all borders and stop all immigration is not extreme?  Short of deporting immigrants it’s as far along the spectrum as you can go, so you’re wrong on that.

Unfortunately everything she said was a load of rubbish, we need to stop pussy footing around people like this saying they have valid views - they’re only valid if they are based on facts.

124How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 22 2020, 14:30

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The most disconcerting thing is that this was the only clip from Thursday's  QT that the BBC chose to put on its webste, and it was posted without comment or challenge.

125How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 22 2020, 16:00

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
And of course idiots like this woman voted for Brexit. Rolling Eyes

126How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 22 2020, 23:28

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s a national embarrassment that views such as this have been fuelled by media spin and right wing lies, it should have been nipped in the bud years ago but it suited the governing party to push blame onto migration and the EU / completely disassociate austerity with having any negative consequences.

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1230625055803133953?s=21

Extreme views like this need to be exposed, questioned and debunked. We have done a shit job in doing that for years now.
:rofl:

127How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Feb 23 2020, 11:04

Guest


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In the same show, another audience member claimed that the EU were to blame for the recent flooding as they were preventing rivers from being maintained properly. 

It's no wonder so many voted Brexit/have a fear of the EU if this is the sort of thing they've been brainwashed to believe.

128How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Feb 25 2020, 13:08

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Brilliant well done that woman :clap:

129How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Feb 26 2020, 16:35

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
"This is Going to Hurt" by Adam Kay. Essential reading for all....including government ministers.....

Hilarious, but also intensely revelatory and moving.

130How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 29 2020, 11:17

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
A damning indictment of our increasingly despotic government:


The top civil servant in the Home Office has resigned and said he intends to sue the government for constructive dismissal.


Sir Philip Rutnam said there had been a "vicious and orchestrated" campaign against him in Home Secretary Priti Patel's office.


Sir Philip, who has had a career spanning 33 years, said he believed his experience was "extreme" but part of a "wider pattern" in government.

131How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 07:59

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Apparently Britain doesn't need farmers or a fishing industry according to one of Boris' top advisers. Is that what you brexiteers voted for?

"In leaked emails obtained by The Mail on Sunday, powerful Treasury adviser Tim Leunig argues that the food sector is not 'critically important' to the economy - and that agriculture and fishery production 'certainly isn't'. In his astonishing remarks - which comes as the UK prepares to enter crunch post-Brexit trade talks with Donald Trump - Dr Leunig implies that the UK could follow the example of Singapore 'which is rich without having its own agricultural sector'. Dr Leunig is a long-standing colleague of Boris Johnson's No 10 enforcer Dominic Cummings, and his intervention exemplifies the radical thinking within Boris Johnson's inner circle against bastions of the Establishment such as the Civil Service and the BBC."

That should make the negotiations easier but it is hardly taking back control is it?

132How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 12:14

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:Apparently Britain doesn't need farmers or a fishing industry according to one of Boris' top advisers. Is that what you brexiteers voted for?

"In leaked emails obtained by The Mail on Sunday, powerful Treasury adviser Tim Leunig argues that the food sector is not 'critically important' to the economy - and that agriculture and fishery production 'certainly isn't'. In his astonishing remarks - which comes as the UK prepares to enter crunch post-Brexit trade talks with Donald Trump - Dr Leunig implies that the UK could follow the example of Singapore 'which is rich without having its own agricultural sector'. Dr Leunig is a long-standing colleague of Boris Johnson's No 10 enforcer Dominic Cummings, and his intervention exemplifies the radical thinking within Boris Johnson's inner circle against bastions of the Establishment such as the Civil Service and the BBC."

That should make the negotiations easier but it is hardly taking back control is it?  

Desperate post.

133How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 12:24

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@xmiles wrote:Apparently Britain doesn't need farmers or a fishing industry according to one of Boris' top advisers. Is that what you brexiteers voted for?

"In leaked emails obtained by The Mail on Sunday, powerful Treasury adviser Tim Leunig argues that the food sector is not 'critically important' to the economy - and that agriculture and fishery production 'certainly isn't'. In his astonishing remarks - which comes as the UK prepares to enter crunch post-Brexit trade talks with Donald Trump - Dr Leunig implies that the UK could follow the example of Singapore 'which is rich without having its own agricultural sector'. Dr Leunig is a long-standing colleague of Boris Johnson's No 10 enforcer Dominic Cummings, and his intervention exemplifies the radical thinking within Boris Johnson's inner circle against bastions of the Establishment such as the Civil Service and the BBC."

That should make the negotiations easier but it is hardly taking back control is it?  

Desperate post.

Why do you think that?

134How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 12:28

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
You're quoting a newspaper.

135How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 13:44

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Natasha Whittam wrote:You're quoting a newspaper.

Yes, the Mail on Sunday which as you well know is a Tory paper.

This article is an illustration of one of the potential consequences of brexit and I would be surprised if this is what a lot of brexit voters expected.

136How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 14:10

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I voted Brexit to keep my bananas bendy, as you well know.

137How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 14:14

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@okocha wrote:A damning indictment of our increasingly despotic government:


The top civil servant in the Home Office has resigned and said he intends to sue the government for constructive dismissal.


Sir Philip Rutnam said there had been a "vicious and orchestrated" campaign against him in Home Secretary Priti Patel's office.


Sir Philip, who has had a career spanning 33 years, said he believed his experience was "extreme" but part of a "wider pattern" in government
He was a trouble maker he had to go and she gets things done, she will be pm one day.

138How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 16:21

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
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@Angry Dad wrote:
@okocha wrote:A damning indictment of our increasingly despotic government:


The top civil servant in the Home Office has resigned and said he intends to sue the government for constructive dismissal.


Sir Philip Rutnam said there had been a "vicious and orchestrated" campaign against him in Home Secretary Priti Patel's office.


Sir Philip, who has had a career spanning 33 years, said he believed his experience was "extreme" but part of a "wider pattern" in government
He was a trouble maker he had to go and she gets things done, she will be pm one day.
Comment by a reporter on the Sophie Ridge show was that some people think he was no longer up to the job, (presumably coping with the change of pace and ways of working).

139How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 16:31

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@gloswhite wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:
@okocha wrote:A damning indictment of our increasingly despotic government:


The top civil servant in the Home Office has resigned and said he intends to sue the government for constructive dismissal.


Sir Philip Rutnam said there had been a "vicious and orchestrated" campaign against him in Home Secretary Priti Patel's office.


Sir Philip, who has had a career spanning 33 years, said he believed his experience was "extreme" but part of a "wider pattern" in government
He was a trouble maker he had to go and she gets things done, she will be pm one day.
Comment by a reporter on the Sophie Ridge show was that some people think he was no longer up to the job, (presumably coping with the change of pace and ways of working).

All part of the standard briefing against him of course.

It will be interesting to see what comes out in court.

140How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 17:07

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I’m sure if the courts were to find in his favour the response will be that judges are too left wing and the establishment are against the Tories. 

Any negativity is denied or ignored by this government and it’s supporters.

141How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 17:56

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:Any negativity is denied or ignored by this government and it’s supporters.

Good! There is way too much negativity in this country.

142How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 18:01

Sluffy

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@xmiles wrote:
@gloswhite wrote:
@Angry Dad wrote:
@okocha wrote:A damning indictment of our increasingly despotic government:


The top civil servant in the Home Office has resigned and said he intends to sue the government for constructive dismissal.


Sir Philip Rutnam said there had been a "vicious and orchestrated" campaign against him in Home Secretary Priti Patel's office.


Sir Philip, who has had a career spanning 33 years, said he believed his experience was "extreme" but part of a "wider pattern" in government
He was a trouble maker he had to go and she gets things done, she will be pm one day.
Comment by a reporter on the Sophie Ridge show was that some people think he was no longer up to the job, (presumably coping with the change of pace and ways of working).

All part of the standard briefing against him of course.

It will be interesting to see what comes out in court.

I doubt very much it will get to court, it would be political dynamite if it did.

If you aren't really familiar with how Government works and what is potentially going on think of it as Malcolm Tucker from the 'Thick of it'...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0074rc0/the-thick-of-it-series-1-episode-1

...meets Sir Humphrey Appleby from 'Yes Minister'.

The first is an unappointed political advisor/activist who isn't part of the elected government but has great sway over 'short term' political objectives - think Dominic Cunnings (or similarly Momentum in the Labour Party under Corbyn) and the second is an extremely intelligent permanent career officer whose job is to give professional advise and deliver such policies 'long term' in a way that doesn't 'damage' the country, think Sir Philip.

The tightrope the civil service walks is to deliver the polices of which ever shade of political party is in power at the time whilst using its 'influence' to limit 'bad things' happening - think of how Sir Humphrey stalled and blocked things for instance.

Obviously I'm using comedy programmes to give an idea of what is going on but this is a really major thing - unprecedented I would think, where I would think political 'extremism' has so publicly be shown to be challenged at the highest possible levels - Javid resigned as Chancellor and now Sir Philip as Permanent Secretary to the Home Office (both on opposite sides of the street so to speak in that Javid is an elected politician and Rutnam a career Civil Servant) and both have seeming rejected being used as marionette's to Cummings influence over the Conservative party leadership.

I've no doubt many top civil servants have been moved out over the decades, Rutnam rejected a financial sweetener to go quietly, so this is a much bigger story than a clash of personalities between Patel and Rutnam (he's not after the money, he wants to tell the world what is going on behind the scenes because he clearly believes it to be wrong and damaging).

There's going to be a load of spin now to limit such damage and marginalise and undermine Rutnum's credibility - indeed Sir Philip said as much in his resignation speech.

143How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 21:41

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@gloswhite wrote:Comment by a reporter on the Sophie Ridge show was that some people think he was no longer up to the job, (presumably coping with the change of pace and ways of working).
The "people" referred to are all Tory allies of Patel.

144How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 21:48

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:The "people" referred to are all Tory allies of Patel.

Bored. Have you considered looking into the Forest Green Rovers accounts?

145How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 22:29

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
I thought Caroline Flack's suicide had led to an appeal for everyone to be kinder to each other, especially on social media platforms like this one. I'm looking for signs that this is happening.....

It has also been one of Boris' stated aims since the election, that we should try to bring a divided UK closer together and stop the enmity and hostility towards one another. I'm expecting Tories to support him on this principle.

146How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sun Mar 01 2020, 22:41

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@okocha wrote:The "people" referred to are all Tory allies of Patel.

Bored. Have you considered looking into the Forest Green Rovers accounts?
Bob got that gig, but I'm hoping he'll get bored and take up whittling. I find it very calming.

Last week I whittled a barn owl wearing a bowler hat.

147How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Mar 02 2020, 00:48

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:
Last week I whittled a barn owl wearing a bowler hat.
So that's why they're facing extinction. It's folk like you who need to give up whittling 'em if we're going to keep the field mouse population under control.
Try whittling wood instead.

Out of interest, do you always wear a bowler hat whilst whittling?

148How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Mar 02 2020, 03:49

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149How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Mar 02 2020, 08:07

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:
Last week I whittled a barn owl wearing a bowler hat.
So that's why they're facing extinction. It's folk like you who need to give up whittling 'em if we're going to keep the field mouse population under control.
Try whittling wood instead.

Out of interest, do you always wear a bowler hat whilst whittling?
This is no time for levity. I take my whittling seriously. 
I took it up after being disqualified from  the European speed chainsaw carving championships, after an incident in the semi final.
My opponent Steve, these days better known as Legless Steve, in carving circles, insisted I be banned from future championships.
Whittling has been a blessing to me.

150How is the Tory government doing? - Page 5 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Mar 02 2020, 09:51

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

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