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481How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 08 2020, 15:26

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Interesting set of measures announced by Sunak today to try to stem the tide of rising unemployment, especially youth unemployment. Seems like a lot of money thrown at the problem but every unemployed person becomes a cost so on balance it seems OK, however the question is whether or not they are the right measures? I'm concerned that they are offering to pay employers for offering work placements to people who will receive nothing financially or academically from the experience - so it's going to be interested to see how many take it up. And in not offering further support for proper apprenticeships it does suggest a shift in thinking.

482How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 09 2020, 13:16

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:Story of the week for me was the 12,000 job losses in just two days. Fairly sure the 'high street" is well and truly f***** now and that will lead to social change - which may inadvertently turn out to be a blessing for the environment.
Another 5300 jobs go at Boots and John Lewis despite Sunak's measures. Retail on it's arse and if a critical mass of retailers doesn't make it the rest will struggle as shopping trips will become less worthwhile and we'll retrench in our houses.

483How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 09 2020, 13:55

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@wanderlust wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:Story of the week for me was the 12,000 job losses in just two days. Fairly sure the 'high street" is well and truly f***** now and that will lead to social change - which may inadvertently turn out to be a blessing for the environment.
Another 5300 jobs go at Boots and John Lewis despite Sunak's measures. Retail on it's arse and if a critical mass of retailers doesn't make it the rest will struggle as shopping trips will become less worthwhile and we'll retrench in our houses.

I don't think that is the case, I just think it is a major social 'step' change to move to on-line shopping rather than a trip out to the shops - and therefore less footfall/spending in the traditional High Street - which of course have high overheads - rents and staff wages - and impact on profitability/loss.

As for a blessing for the environment I suspect there will be a load more delivery vans and the roads going to all of these millions of households now shopping online, so maybe not as much as one would hope?

It's been going on over the last few years but has gained huge boost recently whilst everybody has been locked down and many more have thus joined them by changing their shopping habits to online too.

It wouldn't surprise me that one of the next things resulting from lockdown is a major shift from office based working to home working/Zoom type networking and a load of office buildings falling empty when company leases on them expire.

484How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 09 2020, 14:55

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Sluffy wrote:

I don't think that is the case, I just think it is a major social 'step' change to move to on-line shopping rather than a trip out to the shops - and therefore less footfall/spending in the traditional High Street - which of course have high overheads - rents and staff wages - and impact on profitability/loss.

As for a blessing for the environment I suspect there will be a load more delivery vans and the roads going to all of these millions of households now shopping online, so maybe not as much as one would hope?

It's been going on over the last few years but has gained huge boost recently whilst everybody has been locked down and many more have thus joined them by changing their shopping habits to online too.

It wouldn't surprise me that one of the next things resulting from lockdown is a major shift from office based working to home working/Zoom type networking and a load of office buildings falling empty when company leases on them expire.
Which bit don't you think is the case? Nothing you've written appears to contradict anything I wrote..?

As for more vans on the road, one van doing 10 targeted deliveries per trip seems a better option than 10 individual trips to town and back i.e. good for the environment.

485How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 09 2020, 15:52

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

I don't think that is the case, I just think it is a major social 'step' change to move to on-line shopping rather than a trip out to the shops - and therefore less footfall/spending in the traditional High Street - which of course have high overheads - rents and staff wages - and impact on profitability/loss.

As for a blessing for the environment I suspect there will be a load more delivery vans and the roads going to all of these millions of households now shopping online, so maybe not as much as one would hope?

It's been going on over the last few years but has gained huge boost recently whilst everybody has been locked down and many more have thus joined them by changing their shopping habits to online too.

It wouldn't surprise me that one of the next things resulting from lockdown is a major shift from office based working to home working/Zoom type networking and a load of office buildings falling empty when company leases on them expire.
Which bit don't you think is the case? Nothing you've written appears to contradict anything I wrote..?

As for more vans on the road, one van doing 10 targeted deliveries per trip seems a better option than 10 individual trips to town and back i.e. good for the environment.

This bit -

@wanderlust wrote:Retail on it's arse

High Street retail I agree with but online - amazon etc - is absolutely booming.

As for 10 individual trips to town and back, some of those 10 would use public transport (such as the Tube into London, or the tram into Manchester, etc) and no matter how targeted the deliveries are, there's always going to be additional mileage going from delivery to delivery depending on what is in stock and on the roster to be delivered on that certain day - ie someone could have gone into town and bought 10 items during their trip but by ordering them online and waiting for them to be in stock could mean 10 vans delivering an item a day for 10 days to the same house - certainly seems like it anyway with the number of delivery drivers constantly turning up daily at Sluffy Towers!

Then you have the issue of the 'returns' which seems like 99% of what is ordered because people seem to want to order the same thing in three different sizes and four different colours to find the one they actually want and send the rest back!

Maybe when we get to the point of electric vans or drones or something doing the deliveries we might see a positive environmental impact but I really can't see much improvement until then.

486How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 09 2020, 16:20

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
So much for listening to expert advice:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53348246

487How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 09 2020, 16:31

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:So much for listening to expert advice:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53348246
Ah - but is it science?

489How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Jul 09 2020, 23:39

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Is "puppet's puppet" an actual job title?

490How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 08:07

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
If you want a job done badly then Grayling is your man.

491How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:39

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
They are comparing BoJo to Hitler. At least Hitler put the hours in.

492How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:15

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:They are comparing BoJo to Hitler. At least Hitler put the hours in.

Do you think that's funny?

493How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 12:22

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

Do you think that's funny?
I am not comparing him to Hitler, that was someone else. I am only comparing them in terms of days of absence.
Its like he has those dodge books like the character out of the Beano and he gets out of everything.
He isnt anything like Hitler. He is more like Roger the Dodger.

494How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 13:18

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:
 He is more like Roger the Dodger.
More like Roger any woman daft enough to fall for his bullshit.
7 kids and counting.

495How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 13:31

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Well, in his dodge book number 7 it told him to hide in a fridge to avoid a possible contretemps with irate people.
I imagine he has a password that you have to say to have access into number 10 and only his chums know it. You have to say it through the letterbox.
Its all a jolly wheeze.

496How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 13:51

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
Has he really got 7 kids?

497How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 14:04

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@gloswhite wrote:Has he really got 7 kids?

No-one knows. When asked he evades any direct answer with deliberate bumbling and avoidance. Just like when he is running the country.
If asked he puts on one of his Burlesque and Vaudevillian acts to distract people from wanting an answer.

498How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 14:20

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Boris and his amazing dancing teeth circa 1902.

499How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 14:30

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:Has he really got 7 kids?
 He's not sure either to be fair.

500How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 14:32

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
it helps to have friends in high places if you are a Tory councillor.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53361167

501How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 16:26

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@gloswhite wrote:Has he really got 7 kids?
Officially 6 by 3 different women, but there's another woman who claims her kid is Boris's and it was not contested.

502How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 18:01

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
No wonder he looks as rough as he does. Nothing to do with contracting Coronavirus, he's just not getting enough sleep !

503How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Fri Jul 10 2020, 19:27

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
He's clearly irresistible to women just like Paul Daniels was to Debbie McGee, as Mrs Merton (alias Caroline Aherne) famously pointed out in a TV interview.

But you have to laugh at this article which features our slimline Lothario proposing to outlaw junk food in order to solve the obeslty crisis in the UK....the phrase "Physician, heal thyself" springs to mind:-
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/junk-food-deals-will-be-banned-in-boris-johnsons-assault-on-obesity-lr8fg8lqt

504How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Jul 11 2020, 04:43

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
One of the reasons he avoids a direct answer to the question is that there would be legitimate claims against him from the CSA. No doubt he has already been into the CSA Department and deleted any records.
He avoids a direct answer to this with more of his bumbling subterfuge.

505How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jul 14 2020, 22:14

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Why are we cancelling the Huawei deal? Because America told us to do so. It will cost at least £2billion.

Taking back control? Does Boris have a backbone?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53406464

506How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jul 14 2020, 22:42

gloswhite

gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Guðni Bergsson
@xmiles wrote:Why are we cancelling the Huawei deal? Because America told us to do so. It will cost at least £2billion.

Taking back control? Does Boris have a backbone?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53406464
Right from the beginning it was said that the deal would be reconsidered, depending on a review/report of the security services, as I understand it. Although many of the Tory party are vehemently against the deal, the decision will be carried over the line by the technical report provided by the Security services. 
China are the most dangerous country in the world of electronic espionage, denial of service, etc. and are flexing their muscles more and more. The cancellation of the deal is the correct one, and it will be £2bn well spent. 
Just for you XM, that £2bn will be more than made up in trade with the countrties that will then trust us and trade with us.

507How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jul 14 2020, 23:11

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
I am no fan of the Chinese government and it may well be the right decision to drop Huawei but it is clear it is only being dropped because of American pressure. Which pretty much guarantees we will be eating chlorine flavoured chicken fairly soon.

As for the delusion that we will be getting an extra £2bn in trade where is the evidence for that? It certainly won't cover the £13bn cost of post brexit border checks announced in the Times today.

508How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 15 2020, 00:25

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@xmiles wrote:Why are we cancelling the Huawei deal? Because America told us to do so. It will cost at least £2billion.

Taking back control? Does Boris have a backbone?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53406464
A humungous u-turn.
Proper 180. 
There is no suggestion that cancelling the deal is the most cost-effective way of achieving the objective so it does give credibility to the idea that trade talks with the USA have already led to concessions by Boris.

For media balance he will have to claim a victory somewhere down the line so let's hope he's gained something more exciting than chlorinated chicken which our buyer power already gives us control over.

509How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 15 2020, 02:56

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@wanderlust wrote:
@xmiles wrote:Why are we cancelling the Huawei deal? Because America told us to do so. It will cost at least £2billion.

Taking back control? Does Boris have a backbone?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53406464
A humungous u-turn.
Proper 180. 
There is no suggestion that cancelling the deal is the most cost-effective way of achieving the objective so it does give credibility to the idea that trade talks with the USA have already led to concessions by Boris.

For media balance he will have to claim a victory somewhere down the line so let's hope he's gained something more exciting than chlorinated chicken which our buyer power already gives us control over.

Here's something different to read rather than social media forming your views and opinions on everything all the time -

https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/report/summary-of-ncsc-analysis-of-us-may-2020-sanction

510How is the Tory government doing? - Page 17 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jul 15 2020, 09:12

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
So the BBC is merely "social media" now?

To take two direct quotes from the NCSC report:

In para 1 it states "This update was driven by the US Foreign-Produced Direct Product Rule Amendment (FDPRA)" thus proving that the measures are indeed driven by American pressure on the UK government and vindicating the BBC report.

Para 41 reads in full: Given the increasing risk associated with Huawei, it is natural that some will argue that the UK should remove the latent risk by removing Huawei equipment entirely from all the UK’s fixed and mobile networks. As part of its analysis, the NCSC considered this option in detail and concluded that this would present substantial resilience and security risks for the UK, and that these far outweighed the risk of retaining this equipment within UK networks.

Yet the government has ignored this advice and Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden has announced that the UK's mobile providers must remove all of Huawei's 5G kit from their networks by 2027.

So yet another example of Boris backing down under American pressure despite the advice of the NCSC.

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