Is Amanda Knox innocent?

Honestly i have no idea, the Italian prosecution are obsessed with it clearly.

Unless they have a new piece of earth shattering evidence then i don't see what another retrial (the third one) will do for anyone.

1. Crucial lies/mistakes on which the whole case turns

Stomach emptying does not start till the third or fourth hour after eating
This is a very serious mistake in Massei.
The truth: stomach emptying for a solid meal typically starts after 30-80 minutes. ( Note:this is a complex area, see reference )
Reference: Empty-Duodenum

Amount of DNA on the knife blade
Patrizia Stefanoni claimed the amount of DNA on the knife blade was "in the order of some hundreds of picograms". She claimed quantification had been performed by real-time PCR, which was untrue ( see C-V report - Knife quantification ).
The truth: A test was performed with a Qubit Fluorometer which was negative (no DNA). Two other previous tests for blood were also negative. Cytological tests that should have been performed were not. The test results after PCR (very low RFU), and a failure to perform negative control tests or implement adequate measures to prevent contamination, suggest contamination occurred from previous tests of Meredith's DNA, that is Meredith's DNA was not on the knife blade.
Reference: DNA-analysis

Only Meredith and Raffaele's DNA was on the bra clasp
Patrizia Stefanoni claimed that the DNA on the bra clasp was only from Meredith and Raffaele.
The truth : there were at least 2 other male contributors, strongly suggesting contamination.
Reference: Bra-clasp-results

The footprints were not tested with TMB
Stefanoni claimed that a second blood test on the luminol footprints was not performed. Later, under pressure from defense lawyers, she provided documents showing that a second test was performed, and it was negative for blood in every case.
Reference: Note 1

The footprints detected by luminol might have been blood even though they tested negative to TMB
Another very serious mistake in Massei.
The truth: TMB is very sensitive, and can detect blood from only five red blood cells. Hellmann is particularly scathing about this.
Reference: Note 11

Rudy's foot was too large to make the impression on the bath mat
Rinaldi overstated one dimension of the size of Guede's foot creating the false impression that it was too big to have made the print on the mat.
Reference: IIP Hellmann Report ( "In light of the different dimensional evaluation of the latter.." )

Amanda and Raffaele were in Piazza Grimana on the night of the murder
This would disprove their alibi that they were at Raffaele's all evening.
The truth: Witness Curatolo mistook the day.
Reference: Curatolo

2. Other lies / mistakes

Amanda sent a text to Lumumba saying "ci saremmo visti subito" or "ci vediamo"
According to the 1st and 2nd statements typed by the police and later signed (without reading) by Amanda.
In English, "we would see each other at once" or "see you".
The truth: The full message was "Certo. Ci vediamo più tardi. Buona serata!", meaning "Sure. See you later. Good evening!".
Reference: See you later

Caught on Camera
It was alleged that Amanda was caught on camera at the cottage on the night Meredith was murdered.
The truth: the (very indistinct) figure was probably Meredith herself, not Amanda. See Note 24.
Example: Daily Mail 12 November 2007

Meredith's phone was at the cottage at 22:13
Another serious mistake in Massei.
The truth: it's quite unlikely the phone was at the cottage.
Reference: Massei analysis

Amanda was not at Raffaele's at 20:18
Another mistake in Massei.
The truth: the signal for the call is strong at Raffaele's house.
Reference: Massei analysis

Stefanoni lied that the investigator changed gloves immediately before handling the bra clasp
Stefanoni stressed that the investigator, immediately before having touched said hooks, changed his protective gloves Note 7.
The truth : the glove was visibly dirty.
Reference: Youtube bra collection ( Note the close-up at 3 minutes showing dirt on the glove )

Amanda’s shoe-print was found on the Meredith's pillowcase
Rinaldi found this print too small to be Rudy's ( Note 4 ).
The truth: the footprint was Rudy's, as shown by Vinci ( Note5 ) and conceded by Massei ( Note 6 ).

A bloody footprint found near the body was Raffaele's
This was a finding by judge Matteini and the main justification for holding Raffaele.
The truth: the footprint was conclusively shown to be Rudy's.
Example: Daily Mail 2 November 2007
Reference: Note 3

A bloody footprint was found in Amanda's bedroom
The truth: no such footprint was found.
Example: Daily Mail 11 January 2008

Raffaele called 112 after the postal police arrived
The truth: this was false (as found by Massei), but the prosecution were still arguing it even during the final stages of the appeal.
Reference: Hellmann report "There has been much discussion on whether the call to 112 happened before or after the arrival of the Police..."

Battistelli lied about the time he arrived at the cottage
In order to support the prosecution case that Raffaele called 112 after he arrived.
The truth: records proved that Battistelli was lying.
Reference: Note 19, and item above "Raffaele called 112 after the postal police arrived".

Amanda or Raffaele bought bleach on the morning after the murder
and there were receipts that proved this.
The truth: An unnamed police source told Richard Owen of the UK Times that they found receipts showing the purchase of bleach on the morning after the murder, and he went with the story, but no such receipts exist.
References: IIP bleach receipts Times Online 19 November 2007 (google news search)
According to these two articles in the la repubblica the bleach receipts were in (Meredith, svolta sul quarto uomo pronto un altro ordine di arresto) and out (Giallo Perugia, in casa di Sollecito nessuno scontrino del 2 novembre) of the news on November 18th.

Amanda called Rudy Guede
"Investigators say Mr Guede left Perugia on the morning after the murder and went to Milan, where he was stopped by police but not detained. Detectives locked on to his mobile phone signal in Milan as recently as this weekend, but it then went dead. Amanda Knox made at least two calls to his number, one of them at 11am on 2 November, around the time police discovered Kercher's body."
The truth: Amanda never called Rudy. She didn't even know his name, didn't have his number and Rudy didn't even have a mobile phone.
Reference: Independent 20 November 2007

Amanda and Raffaele washed their bloody clothes in the washing machine
The truth : Meredith's clothes were in the machine.
Sources: Perugia shock via IIP IIP Myths

Amanda disposed of her sweatshirt
The truth: it was found clean, in her room on the bed ( amanda_clothes.jpg ).
Source: Perugia shock via IIP

Amanda gave herself away by revealing a murder detail only the killer would know
The truth : she didn't. She had learnt that Meredith had been stabbed from Raffaele, who in turn had learnt from Luca Altieri. Note 13 and Note 14.
Examples: Daily Mail 23 December 2007 "Amanda Knox, 20, told friends of Miss Kercher that she died slowly from a stab wound to the neck."
Guardian 23 December 2007

Battistelli lied about not looking under the duvet when Meredith's door was broken down
The truth: he did look under the duvet as Luca Altieri testified. This lie is related to the one above - the prosecution wanted to show that Amanda shouldn't have known what had happened, but Luca Altieri, Marco Zaroli and Paula Grande set things straight.
References: Note 20 and Note 21

Amanda's print was on Meredith's face
The truth: it wasn't.
Reference: Telegraph 2 Nov 2007 (google search) "The arrest warrant for Amanda Knox, 20, discloses that her print was discovered on the face of Meredith Kercher, who was found in her bed ..."

Amanda's bloody fingerprint was found on a tap in the bathroom
The truth: no such fingerprint was found. This fingerprint map shows only a single print of Amanda's was found, on a glass in the kitchen.
Reference: BBC 27 November 2007

Amanda attempted to clean up her finger prints from the crime scene
The truth : there was no evidence of this, according to the prosecutions expert witness, Giuseppe Privitera. Also see map above.
Reference: IIP Myths

Investigators found blood belonging to both Amanda and Meredith mixed together in the bathroom
The truth: traces of blood containing the DNA of Amanda and Meredith were found. This is not surprising as Amanda would naturally leave traces of DNA in her own bathroom ( saliva from brushing teeth, or skin from washing ). Amanda's DNA could have been added to Meredith's blood either before or after the murder ( since she cleaned her teeth in the bathroom the morning after the murder ).
Example: CNN 28 Oct 2008

Harry Potter book falsified Amanda's alibi
Part of Amanda's alibi was that she read a Harry Potter book (German edition) at Raffaele's on the night of the murder.
It was reported (by a police leak) that the book was found at the cottage, casting doubt on her story.
The truth: Amanda had bought two copies, one was found at the cottage, the other at Raffaele's as a police video shows.
Example: Komo news 19 Dec 2007
Reference: Youtube

Raffaele said that Amanda went out on the night of the murder
The truth: he only said that he may not have known if she left and came back because he was asleep.
Reference: The interrogation

Amanda lied repeatedly and kept changing her story
The truth: she was put under pressure and manipulated into trying to recall non-existent memories that she was at the cottage when the murder happened. She always stressed that these were dream-like memories (unrelated images) that didn't seem real. Leading and loaded questions were used to distort her non-existent memories. The only way in which here story ever changed is that she withdrew the statement that the police manipulated her into signing.
Reference: The interrogation

Amanda was a compulsive liar
The truth: she never told a single lie ( that is a statement she knew to be untrue ).
Reference : Daily Mail 11 Nov 2007

Amanda knew that Patrick was innocent when she implicated him
This is a mistake in Hellmann, needed to justify the callunia charge.
The truth: she had no way to know that Patrick was innocent, and at that moment genuinely thought it possible. She had been confused into doubting her own memory by the police assuring her that she was at the cottage that night. See Note 15 and Note 16. This is part of the complex topic of the interrogation.

Amanda didn't tell the police when she remembered she was not there
The truth : she told her lawyers, who passed this on to Mignini. See Note 17

Amanda said Raffaele might have killed Meredith
The truth: She stressed that she didn't believe this. The quote omitted the vital "well, I just highly doubt all of that". See Myth-Knife .
Reference: Daily Mail 2 Dec 2007 "But I think it's possible that Raffaele went to Meredith's house, raped her, then killed her, and then when he got home, while I was sleeping, he put my fingerprints on the knife."

Amanda said she was at the cottage in a bugged conversation
The truth : she said "I was there", and was referring to Raffaele's place, not the cottage.
Reference: See Note 25 and Note 26.

There were no traces of a break-in
The truth: Filomena's window was broken.
Reference: The Sun 5 Dec 2007 "Kercher family attorney Francesco Maresca called the panel's explanation "a well-reasoned ruling that puts Amanda in the leading position in the murder. The lawyer, who had a copy of the panel's explanation, said the judges had reasoned that Kercher was killed by someone she knew since there were no traces of a break-in."

Raffaele was depressed / unstable
The prosecution tried to show that Raffaele was depressed (and hence mentally unstable) at the time of the murder. An entry from Raffaele's blog dated 13 October 2006 where he said he had strong emotions about the death of his mother was shown to judge Matteini, but the year was omitted, so Matteini thought it was in the days before the murder.
Reference: Perugia Shock

Amanda was seen with Raffaele and Rudy and threatened a man with knife on October 31st
The truth: Kokomani's testimony fell apart in court. He claimed to have met Amanda in July 2007, before Amanda ever went to Italy.
Example : Nick Pisa Daily Mail 24 January 2008:

Amanda, Raffaele, Rudy and Meredith were seen coming out of the cottage on October 30th
This was another failed attempt to show Raffaele and Rudy knew each other.
The truth: Fabio Giuffredi's testimony fell apart in court. Raffaele's computer showed he was using his computer at the time.

Amanda was at a shop at early in the morning of November 2nd
This would contradict Amanda's account, and was used by the prosecution to suggest she bought cleaning materials that morning to clean up the crime scene.
The truth: The sighting is not reliable.
Reference: Hellmann report : Quintavalle

Amanda met a secret Argentinian boyfriend and went to the Laundromat to wash a pile of clothes, including a pair of blue Nike sneakers
This appeared in a newspaper article, and caused Raffaele to doubt Amanda.
The truth: she didn't.
Reference: Honor Bound, Loc 1276

The washing machine was warm when the murder was discovered
Implying that the washing machine had been used to dispose of bloody evidence ( alleged testimony of Filomena ).
The truth: the Italian word for "damp" ( "umido" ) was mis-construed, FIlomena only intended to say the clothes in the machine were damp.
Reference: The Guardian, 8 February 2009 and also Note 30

3. Smears / innuendos / half-truths
Foxy Knoxy
This is an innuendo, intended to smear Amanda's character. In court, it turned out that this had gone one stage further, with this being translated to "Evil Fox" in Italian in official court documents (Source:Amanda testimony). The truth : this was a nickname for her when she played soccer as a young child, aged 11.
Example: Daily Mail 22 November 2007 "Knox, who styles herself Foxy Knoxy".

The picture of Amanda behind a machine gun
A crude smear, intended to convey the impression that Amanda was a violent person.
The truth: this was on a visit to a military museum.

The picture of Raffaele with a meat cleaver
A crude smear, intended to suggest that Raffaele was a violent person.
The truth: this was a Halloween costume.

The picture of Raffaele kissing Amanda outside the cottage
This picture was widely used to suggest Amanda and Raffaele were indifferent to the murder.
The truth: Amanda was very shocked and upset, the kiss was to comfort her, and not sexual.
Reference: Youtube : the kiss

Amanda wrote stories about rape
A crude half-truth.
The truth: this was a college assignment. The story was only indirectly about rape, and in fact she failed the assignment because her story was not graphic enough. In addition, the story was mis-represented by John Follain, see Note 23
Example: Telegraph 7 November 2007

Raffaele admired the Monster of Foligno
The truth : Raffaele was obviously being sarcastic. See Note 28 and Note 29.

Amanda is a witch, the murder should have been one day earlier on Halloween but was postponed
The truth: Mignini is crazy.
Reference: Note 12

Amanda had a private jet waiting to fly her home
The truth: Amanda's family had to re-mortgage their homes to help her defend herself.
Example: Daily Mail 30 September 2011

Amanda bought sexy lingerie the day after the murder
and was overheard looking forward to a night of "wild sex". Another smear on her character.
The truth: Amanda didn't have any underwear since the cottage was sealed off, so she needed to buy some. She bought a "Tanga" which is a normal piece of underwear. The shop-keeper (who was paid a large sum of money for the interview) didn't speak English, so couldn't have known what was said.
Example: [url=http://were overheard looking forward to a night of %E2%80%9Cwild sex%E2%80%9D]Express 24 November 2007[/url]

Amanda had sex on a train with a stranger
The truth: She didn't. She wrote on her MySpace page "met a guy named frederico on the train to florence from milan, and we ended up hanging out together in florence, where he bought both deanna and i dinner and then, when deanna went to bed, we smoked up together, my first time in italy". Frederico is not in her list of sexual partners.
Example: Daily Mail 3 December 2007

Amanda was arrested at a wild party
The truth: she was given a fine which her friends helped her pay, but not arrested. The party probably did get a bit wild, it was her party, but she wasn't involved in the wild behavior ( throwing rocks on the road ), she just took responsibility for it. See Note 27.
Example: Daily Mail 3 December 2007

Amanda cultivated cannabis plants around the apartment
The truth: the cannabis plants were grown downstairs by the young men living there. Meredith's boyfriend Giacomo asked Meredith to look after the plants while he was away.
Example: Daily Mail 3 December 2007
Reference: Note 2

Amanda and Raffaele were callous to not attend the memorial service for Meredith
This does not seem to have been published in the mainstream press, but it quite often crops up in online comments.
The truth : they were told by the police to keep away from reporters and not to talk to the press ( Note 8). Since the memorial was a vigil on the steps of the cathedral, it would have been hard to avoid reporters. See also Note 9.
Example: maundygregory blog

Amanda and Raffaele were buying sexy lingerie during the memorial service
This is from Barbie Nadeau's book.
The truth: the memorial was on 5th November, Amanda bought the "Tanga" on then evening of 3rd November.
Reference: Note 10

Manga comics feature extreme violence and rape
Raffaele was interested in Manga and had a collection of comics, so this was used to attack his character.
The truth: some Manga comics are sexually explicit, but this is a crude characterisation. The Manga video "Naruto" that was played the evening of the murder has no sexual content, and is no more violent than a "Superman" comic or a "Tom and Jerry" cartoon.
References: Manga Wiki Telegraph 2 October 2011

Amanda did cartwheels at the police station
The truth: there was no space to do cartwheels. A male police officer asked her if she could do the splits and she complied.
There is still some confusion about what actually happened, but if she did do cartwheels, it was at the suggestion of the police.
References: The interrogation Daily Telegraph 27 February 2009

Amanda took a shower in a bathroom covered in blood
The truth: the pictures show the bathroom after a chemical had been applied to look for traces of blood. The actual amount of blood was tiny, apart from the indistinct shape on the bath mat.
Example: Daily Mail 16 January 2008

Amanda's sexual partners
This was a smear, designed to prejudice Italians against Amanda. While Amanda was held in jail, she was falsely told she had tested HIV positive. This caused her to write a list of her 7 lifetime sexual partners in her diary ( three from her time in Italy ), which was then leaked to the press.

Patrick Lumumba fired Amanda
Patrick Lumumba claimed he fired Amanda for "hitting on customers".
The truth: Patrick never fired Amanda, as evidenced by his text asking her not to come in on the night of the murder.
Reference: Daily Mail 25 November 2007

Amanda never apologised to Patrick
This was alleged by Patrick after the verdict ( Daily Mail 11 October 2011 ).
The truth : she apologised in court, see Note 18 and Note 22 .

Post acquittal lies
Even after Amanda and Raffaele were freed, false stories continue to circulate.
Reference: ABC news

I can see why you use the name 'Observer'.  

Can I ask whether each newspaper you quote was in agreement, in principal, with all the other papers, or did some actually oppose what your sources said. If they did, then its all up for grabs again, because even the press couldn't agree.

Observer - a yes or no would have been suffice.

I like to imagine Observer typed all that out.

yeah, right

Wow!

Probably the most technical and longest post we've ever had on here.

Have you got some sort of professional interest in the case?

Do you have an opinion on who done it and why?

I do not think she is innocent, she looks like a right mucky cow.

http://amanda-knox.wikispaces.com/Prosecution+and+Press+Lies

observers post from here if anyone is interested in the detail.

I recommend reading up on the case it's a fascinating one.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:http://amanda-knox.wikispaces.com/Prosecution+and+Press+Lies

observers post from here if anyone is interested in the detail.

I recommend reading up on the case it's a fascinating one.

Only 2 or 3 people know what really happened.  The only certain thing is the prosecutor, who is known for distorting the truth in past cases, exaggerated what the case was.  The prosecution was cited and convicted, but that was overturned (Italian justice). The truth is very murky, the so-called evidence tainted by the investigators, and the real loser in the deal is the poor family of the victim.  Whether Amanda Knox knows more or did it or saw who did it or was a co-conspirator is secondary to the evidence.  Knox's statements were contradictory, but that does not make her guilty.  The lack of evidence or the mishandling of evidence has been and should be the paramount concern of the judicial system. In this case, the Italian system has rendered one verdict, had it overturned on appeal, and the appeal overturned by the highest court based on the fact they didn't like what the appeal court ruled.  In fact, they said the defense team had to prove that Knox and her boyfriend were not there, which is contrary to the English system of innocent until proven guilty.  It's also contrary to "double jeopardy" which it seems is very possible in Italy... that is unless you are a prosecutor who didn't tell the truth.  All-in-all very troubling case, equally troubling prosecution, and a reason to stay out of trouble in the Italian court system.

One of Italy's most rambunctious legal performers, the scourge of Amanda Knox, was back in action last week.

Plump, pompous and perspiring, Giuliano Mignini, 60, may look like a character out of Dickens, but in persuading a Perugia jury to convict Knox and her Italian boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito of murdering Knox's English flatmate Meredith Kercher, the public prosecutor for the city of Perugia earned himself a reputation for steely ruthlessness in nailing his enemies.
A devout Catholic with a dim view of lax modern ways, he went on to demand that Knox serve not 26 years, as decided by the court, but life. And he was on form again this week, adding to the American student's woes by prosecuting her for slander. During the murder trial, Knox had claimed that, during an all-night grilling, a woman police officer had repeatedly slapped her. Mignini said "the good name of the Perugia police" had been attacked and asked the judge to add another six years to Knox's sentence.
But the fact that Mignini himself was only able to speak in court thanks to the indulgence of two judges in Florence went unmentioned. In January, the lawyer was convicted of abuse of office by a court in the Tuscan capital and sentenced to two years and four months in jail. The bench ruled that he and Michele Giuttari, a detective-turned-thriller writer, had used their powers to persecute people they regarded as their enemies: tapping their phones, interrogating them, putting them under investigation without any evidence against them and even getting them jailed, for personal reasons.
Giuttari enjoyed international success with his novel A Florentine Death, and the Florence prosecutors argued that he was the instigator of the crimes. Mignini, they said, was the passive partner who added the gravitas of the prosecutor's office to the detective's attempts to deal legal blows to his boss and other men of power in Florence. Accordingly they asked for a much lighter sentence for Mignini. But the court decided Mignini's role was more important than that and gave him a sentence only two months shorter than his colleague's. It also banned Mignini from public office for the same term – but it suspended both sentences, allowing him to return to his Perugia office.
Ultimately Mignini may find the Florence judge's words hard to shrug off. He and Giuttari, the court said, were guilty of "almost unheard of" criminal activity, carrying out investigations "in no way related ... to their proper competence", launching criminal cases with no evidence, ordering phone taps with "quite different ends" from those cited when the taps were authorised, taps that were made "for reasons of retaliation ... against people towards whom they had reasons for hostility".
The saga began when Giuttari, a Sicilian who had worked on anti-Mafia investigations in Calabria, arrived in Florence to work for the city police. The biggest case was a string of eight double sex murders carried out between 1968 and 1985 by the so-called "Monster of Florence". Although a man was convicted of the crimes, he was acquitted on appeal and the case remained open.
Acting on tips provided by a Roman psychic called Gabriella Carlizzi, who claimed to receive information from a dead priest, Giuttari decided the murderers were a satanic cult composed of powerful Florentines: among many other bizarre details, he believed the vaginas of female victims were used in the performance of black masses. But the story's garishness was matched only by the flimsiness of the evidence Giuttari mustered to support it.
Giuttari spent more and more time on his nebulous theories and less on his duties. His boss, police chief Giuseppe De Donno, grew irritated, not only by his subordinate's unexplained absences but also at the lack of substance to his allegations. "You've got to show me something concrete!" he bawled.
We know he used those words because Giuttari was surreptitiously recording him – as he did repeatedly over the years. In the end Giuttari got his way, and was allowed to devote all his time to the Monster investigation – in the course of which he put his former boss on the list of suspects, for having "blocked" the investigation. Others accused included the city's attorney general, its top prosecutor, and the chief crime reporter of Florence's daily newspaper.
Giuliano Mignini, the court decided, "participated fully" in Giuttari's criminal conduct. Another court in the city reinforced those verdicts when it decided there was no merit to Giuttari and Mignini's "Monster" accusations and threw the entire case out.
If those two Florence verdicts cause Mignini sleepless nights, he can console himself that the Kercher case was a resounding personal success. But with the appeal of Knox and Sollecito months away, it may not be immune from the Florence contagion. Gabriella Carlizzi, the Roman mystic whose theories underlay the doomed Monster investigation, was also an influence in the prosecution of Knox and Sollecito.
On 5 November 2007, four days after Meredith's murder, she blogged that the murder "in my view is the Monster story continued with another subject". The following day Knox and Sollecito were arrested. During crucial early hearings, Mignini followed Carlizzi's intuitions, describing the murder as "a premeditated ... sexual and sacrificial rite" timed for Halloween. And, as with the Monster case in Florence, no evidence was presented to back the theory. This was what disturbed the Florence judges the most. "Mignini," they wrote, "constantly demonstrates ... an absence of sufficient thought ... an obliteration of the distinction between what is mere suspicion and what has the significance of a more pregnant accusation."
"No one," they write, "has an absolute right not to be put under investigation, even if they are innocent; but everyone has the right not to be investigated if no evidence emerges ... that goes beyond mere suspicion."
Those are words that may come back to haunt him.

Mr Magoo wrote:I do not think she is innocent, she looks like a right mucky cow.

You could get a job as a prosecutor in Italy.  That's equivalent to evidence to them.  Not to say she is innocent by any means, but the lies told by the prosecutors make it hard to believe in the Italian judicial system.

It's good to see a poster ( Observer ) has supported his viewpoint with documented facts. Fwiw, the Knox case has always baffled me. I certainly do not have any confidence in the way the Italian authorities carried out the investigation. It's on a par with the botched Portuguese enquiry into the disappearance of Madeline McCann. In my opinion the British Police are far more thorough and meticulous when it comes to investigating serious crimes. The Police and Criminal Evidence Act ( PACE ) was brought in to make sure there are no miscarriages of justice like the Birmingham 4 and the Renault 5 etc etc. Oppressive interviews of potential suspects are seriously frowned upon. All murder suspects are interviewed on tape and the whole procedure is video recorded.

In the Knox case it looks as if the Italians adopted a tunnel vision approach very early on and put all their eggs in a 'sex game gone wrong' basket. Most if not all of the DNA evidence wouldn't pass muster in a British Court. Knox and Kercher shared a house therefore you would expect to find their DNA in every room and on a variety of intimate items. A bloodstain can lay dormant in a sterile indoor environment ( like a house ). Bloodstains on a knife could be innocently explained as a cooking accident whilst chopping tomatoes. One of the crucial things about this case was that Kercher and Knox seemed to get on very well. Nowhere is it documented on Kerchers  Facebook account or e-mails to friends that Knox was trying to coerce her into a foursome. This suggestion is more likely to have come from the actual murderer to lead the police down the wrong alley.

I still have an open mind about this one and always will because I don't think the Italian Police were up to the job.

Reebok Trotter wrote: In my opinion the British Police are far more thorough and meticulous when it comes to investigating serious crimes. The Police and Criminal Evidence Act ( PACE ) was brought in to make sure there are no miscarriages of justice like the Birmingham 4 and the Renault 5 etc etc. Oppressive interviews of potential suspects are seriously frowned upon. All murder suspects are interviewed on tape and the whole procedure is video recorded.

They may be more thorough investigating serious crimes but they are not very efficient when it comes to investigating their own misbehaviour. Anyone remember "Plebgate"? The police are obviously dragging this half hearted "investigation" out as long as they can in the hope that everyone just forgets about it. There is clear evidence that several police lied, including one who wasn't even present, yet not one of them has been charged.

If even Tory ministers aren't safe from being stitched up by the police what chance for anyone else?

xmiles wrote:
They may be more thorough investigating serious crimes but they are not very efficient when it comes to investigating their own misbehaviour. Anyone remember "Plebgate"? The police are obviously dragging this half hearted "investigation" out as long as they can in the hope that everyone just forgets about it. There is clear evidence that several police lied, including one who wasn't even present, yet not one of them has been charged.

If even Tory ministers aren't safe from being stitched up by the police what chance for anyone else?

Plebgate is an interesting one. The gates to No 10 are heavily fortified and surrounded by CCTV cameras since the IRA attempt to blow up No.10 with a mortar bomb. Like you, I can't understand why this enquiry has gone on for so long? Surely the CCTV should show who is telling the truth? It's not as if there are hundreds of witnesses to interview, so why the delay?

Has just been found Guilty (again) with ZERO evidence.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Has just been found Guilty (again) with ZERO evidence.

I have no faith in that verdict whatsoever.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Has just been found Guilty (again) with ZERO evidence.

A foregone conclusion since she did not attend the trial.  The evidence is shoddy and as I pointed out before, the original prosecutor could be sentenced to jail for his misbehavior and outright lies.  I don't know if she is innocent or guilty, but the evidence is sorely lacking and the Italian system is guilty when we feel like you are guilty.

From what I have read about the retrial, the prosecution haven't introduced any further disclosures or fresh evidence. No new witnesses or additional forensic evidence either!   

Ha, you predictable bellends.

Just because this bint is hot you all assume she's innocent despite being found guilty twice.