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61The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:27

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Keegan wrote:Things that you may find funny will not be funny to others.

This is the bit that I don't get.

Of course it is wrong to be racist - I don't think anybody disagrees.

The thing is, it is wrong to be many other things as well but for some reason or other than I've never understood, nobody seems to bothered about them.

You can't say anything about the colour of someone's skin but it is perfectly ok to call them 'ginger', or a fat bastard, or a lanky piece of piss, or a short arse or many other things that differentiates between people but that apparently is perfectly ok?

If you are 'ginger' (I'm not thankfully) then how many times must they hear comments about their hair during their lifetime?

It can't be funny to them, but still it carrys on.

Same with 'fat' people, or 'vertically challenged' or any other thing that make one person stand out from another.

What particularly gets me are those who are so zealous about anything vaguely racist but who are more than happy to be 'abusive' to others at say a match, simply because they support a different team!

The worlds not perfect, I know that and you've got to make a start somewhere (and stamping out racism is as good as place as any) but it does seem to me a sort double standards where somethings are taboo, yet others things are free to be abused with impunity.

Maybe the answer should be more celebrating the difference in people rather than prohibiting what can and can't be said about them?

62The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:29

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I dislike people from Slough. I am Sloughist.

63The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:30

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@Keegan wrote:I think this thread is a bad idea, although I understand why it was created. Racism is a sensitive subject that is viewed in totally different ways depending on which side of the fence you sit. Things that you may find funny will not be funny to others.

Correct!
At last the voice of reason!!

64The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:30

Mr Magoo

Mr Magoo
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
Sluffy said (If you are 'ginger' (I'm not thankfully)

You bloody Racist

65The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:31

Bwfc1958

Bwfc1958
Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@Bwfc1958 wrote:
You seem to be under the impression racism is only about colour. Racism comes in many forms, colour is just one of many

Maybe, but the fact remains non-white people have been persecuted for centuries and seen as inferior to white people. I'm guessing as a white male you have no experience of racism aimed at you.

Perhaps if people had been calling you "nigger" or "paki" for 40 years you might take offence at a joke aimed at your race/colour.
For a start I didn't use the words you mention above. The word used in the joke was 'black'. I have only had a couple of experiences of racism directed towards me. Both were many years ago. In the first instance I was playing for the school football team against a school that was predominantly Asian. They had supporters all around the edge of the pitch. As I ran down the wing one of them stuck a leg out and tripped me. As I stood up he called me a "fucking milky bar". Hardcore stuff I'm sure you'll agree. The second incident was on my way home from school in Astley bridge (thornleigh if you're interested). As I walked down Blackburn road the mosque was emptying down near the iron church. I was stopped by a group of young lads, 18-20 years old I would say. They asked me if I knew a lad at school, Liam saville was his name. They wanted to kick his head in for some reason and so sent me off with a message I should tell him. Just before I was allowed to leave one of the lads said, "you better not fucking walk home this way again or I'll fucking batter you. This is Blackburn road not whiteburn road you know what I mean." I just thought he was a total bell end TBH. Wasn't offended racially. Just pissed off because I had to go a different way home from then on.



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66The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:36

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
One of my mates described a large guy with a large belly and a tee total affliction, who we know, as having the largest non beer gut he'd ever seen!!
I assume this wasn't acceptable but we all laughed anyway and the recipient just said I'm not in the best of shape!!!
Perhaps Nat would have like to have savaged him, after all, obese people are her pet hate?

67The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:39

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@Bwfc1958 wrote:
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@Bwfc1958 wrote:
You seem to be under the impression racism is only about colour. Racism comes in many forms, colour is just one of many

Maybe, but the fact remains non-white people have been persecuted for centuries and seen as inferior to white people. I'm guessing as a white male you have no experience of racism aimed at you.

Perhaps if people had been calling you "nigger" or "paki" for 40 years you might take offence at a joke aimed at your race/colour.
For a start I didn't use the words you mention above. The word used in the joke was 'black'. I have only had a couple of experiences of racism directed towards me. Both were many years ago. In the first instance I was playing for the school football team against a school that was predominantly Asian. They had supporters all around the edge of the pitch. As I ran down the wing one of them stuck a leg out and tripped me. As I stood up he called me a "fucking milky bar". Hardcore stuff I'm sure you'll agree. The second incident was on my way home from school in Astley bridge (thornleigh if you're interested). As I walked down Blackburn road the mosque was emptying down near the iron church. I was stopped by a group of young lads, 18-20 years old I would say. They asked me if I knew a lad at school, Liam saville was his name. They wanted to kick his head in for some reason and so sent me off with a message I should tell him. Just before I was allowed to leave one of the lads said, "you better not fucking walk home this way again or I'll fucking batter you. This is Blackburn road not whiteburn road you know what I mean." I just thought he was a total bell end TBH. Wasn't offended racially. Just pissed off because I had to go a different way home from then on.

Sorry, can't believe that happened '58.Wink

68The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:41

B.D.P

B.D.P
David Lee
David Lee
I'm offended somebody decided to use the n and p words in this thread.

Can it be removed please.

69The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:46

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Had these when I was a lad, got them off Robertsons jam.
http://www.vectis.co.uk/Page/ViewLot.aspx?LotId=66743&Section=0&Start=1120

70The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:48

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I've still got some.

71The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:53

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Natasha Whittam wrote:I dislike people from Slough. I am Sloughist.

You're not the only one!


Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough!
It isn't fit for humans now,
There isn't grass to graze a cow.
Swarm over, Death!

Come, bombs and blow to smithereens
Those air -conditioned, bright canteens,
Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans,
Tinned minds, tinned breath.

Mess up the mess they call a town-
A house for ninety-seven down
And once a week a half a crown
For twenty years.

And get that man with double chin
Who'll always cheat and always win,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In women's tears:

And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.

But spare the bald young clerks who add
The profits of the stinking cad;
It's not their fault that they are mad,
They've tasted Hell.

It's not their fault they do not know
The birdsong from the radio,
It's not their fault they often go
To Maidenhead

And talk of sport and makes of cars
In various bogus-Tudor bars
And daren't look up and see the stars
But belch instead.

In labour-saving homes, with care
Their wives frizz out peroxide hair
And dry it in synthetic air
And paint their nails.

Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough
To get it ready for the plough.
The cabbages are coming now;
The earth exhales.

72The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:55

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Nice.Love Betjeman.

73The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:55

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@boltonbonce wrote:I've still got some.

Don't know what happened to mine. Thought they were great at the time.

74The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:56

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@boltonbonce wrote:Nice.Love Betjeman.

What genre are they?Smile

75The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 21:57

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Still got the cricketer and the American footballer.
Never thought them racist at the time.

76The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:00

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I forgot about the sports ones, was there a series on footballers?
Times were different then, much more relaxed, with no "cultural tensions".

And ale was one shilling and eight pence a pint!!



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77The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:01

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Bloody hell!

78The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:04

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Oh dear, keep that one locked away in the bottom drawer!!!

79The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:06

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Why does number 6 need them specs?

80The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:06

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Also got this one.
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81The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:07

Guest


Guest
@boltonbonce wrote:Nice.Love Betjeman.

Yeah, Floella was great on Playaway.

And did you know that her uncle Campbell Betjemen was once Mayor of Bolton.

True story -he was big mates with my Grandad at Breightmet Labour Club.

82The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:09

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
And if I remember correctly he was also related to Joan Armatrading?

83The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:13

Guest


Guest
Did not know that, SK.

I know he was a really nice man though and I spent a lot of time at his house as a kid.

The only black person I knew.

84The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:19

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I got bollocked quite a few times for talking during bingo in Breightmet Labour Club. And dare I mention that Bernard Manning was on there about '84? Can't remember whether he asked for the lights on!?!

85The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:22

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Liked Joan  Armatrading even more when I found out she was an avid Dandy and Beano collector.
Sadly,her Mother threw them all out when she was on tour.

86The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:25

Guest


Guest
@boltonbonce wrote:Liked Joan  Armatrading even more when I found out she was an avid Dandy and Beano collector.
Sadly,her Mother threw them all out when she was on tour.

If that's a play on words gag about comics, you've lost me, mate.

If it's a bona fide true story, well played her.

(Young Joan, not Mrs Armatrading.)

87The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:27

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
True story. She was a big fan of both comics.

88The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:46

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Joan had revealed that she was a big BEANO fan - she was even interviewed for radio from The BEANO office - and the editorial team's way of returning the favour was to make the music star a star in her favourite comic.

89The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 22:59

Guest


Guest
Fair play.

I was more of a Whizzer & Chips man / 8 yr old.

Now then.......

Back on topic - Citizen Khan on BBC1.

What.....the....fuck......?

I'll freely admit that I've only seen the trailers but from what I've seen, it looks like an anachronistic throw-back to 1973 but with a twist......

.....it's based in a Muslim household.

You get the same gags that we got back then -

"How was your recent trip to Pakistan, Mr Khan?"

"Oh, not bad....like Birmingham. But with less Pakistanis."

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....!

But now it's delivered by some Uncle Tom character in a Neru hat and suddenly it's all ok to laugh at.

Seriously........I've always tried really hard to live up to the socialist ideals embedded in me by my parents, but when you get shit like this being peddled on the BBC (of all places) in 2014, it does make you scratch your head and ask "What the fuck am I supposed to think? Is this ironic humour? Is this an exercise in self-deprecation by the writers? And if it is, what are us white, non-Muslim people supposed to do? Laugh at the characters? (That'd make us racist, surely?) Smile nowingly and say to ourselves that we "get it"....?

I fucking don't.

It's shit telly and I honestly can't see how it got commissioned.

Rant over.

(I've only had a Pot Noodle to eat today and that was at half seven this morning, so I apologise for banging on.)

90The racism discussion thread  - Page 3 Empty Re: The racism discussion thread on Mon Nov 03 2014, 23:06

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
How the hell it got past episode 2 is beyond me.
I had a similar reaction to the Milligan/Sykes vehicle 'Curry and chips',which had to be seen to be believed,but at least they chopped it after one series.
Citizen Khan is just a halal version of Terry and June.

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