Latest on administration - Updated See Post #109

That makes me uncomfortable.

Please keep your hands where I can see them at all times.

Bread2.0 wrote:That makes me uncomfortable.

Tough, if you're going to post personal info on the internet then I'm going to believe it.

Bread2.0 wrote:Thanks for proving me right with your ridiculous reply.

The only thing proven here is that you are incapable of reasonable debate without resorting to your toys out of your pram tantrums.
You didn't finish the sentence in your reply where KA stated if the deal goes through trading will resume as normal, which would imply that as Sluffy said KA wants DH's shares possibly for a sale or possibly just because DH hasn't got any money and KA isn't prepared to continue funding it on his own.
The ridiculous Ron Jeremy analogy just shows your petulance and makes your reply the ridiculous one.
Does his statement prove he has the money? of course it doesn't but neither does he prove he hasn't so whether you choose to believe it is subjective, so to start throwing tantrums and stupid analogies says more about you than it does about Boggers.

whatsgoingon wrote:
The only thing proven here is that you are incapable of reasonable debate without resorting to your toys out of your pram tantrums.
You didn't finish the sentence in your reply where KA stated if the deal goes through trading will resume as normal, which would imply that as Sluffy said KA wants DH's shares possibly for a sale or possibly just because DH hasn't got any money and KA isn't prepared to continue funding it on his own.
The ridiculous Ron Jeremy analogy just shows your petulance and makes your reply the ridiculous one.
Does his statement prove he has the money? of course it doesn't but neither does he prove he hasn't so whether you choose to believe it is subjective, so to start throwing tantrums and stupid analogies says more about you than it does about Boggers.

Why are you having an internet breakdown? Amos would be proud.

Norpig wrote:Sluffy do you really think the ST has that much clout?

I could imagine a scenario where Dean is feeling v bruised from the way he perceives he has been treated and sidelined once his value to get fans inside had been deployed, and an approach from the ST saying they back him, not to sell out, post admin they will take over, he can be chair, force KAs hand might be seductive

Who is Ron Jeremy?

Natasha Whittam wrote:Why are you having an internet breakdown? Amos would be proud.

 You're just bitter because I've thrown doubt over the size of Breads knob and you wanted to flick the bean over it.

boltonbonce wrote:Who is Ron Jeremy?

Bruce Forsythe's "personal trainer"

whatsgoingon wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:Who is Ron Jeremy?

Bruce Forsythe's "personal trainer"

I'll look into it. Ta.

boltonbonce wrote:

whatsgoingon wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:Who is Ron Jeremy?

Bruce Forsythe's "personal trainer"

I'll look into it. Ta.

I think this is one of the exercises he specialises in

i hope none of that ever happens Manda, the ST can't afford to run the club even if it went into administration. They have around 3000 members and it will be one less the way things are going.

Where would they get the money? Would they go back to the fabled local businesses to finance it? If the ST did take over we would be stuck in the bottom 2 leagues forever, even the Pompey people said that when they came up for the initial meeting.

I would much rather KA buys the shares and then sells on if he can't afford to finance us long term, which is the impression i've had of him since day 1

whatsgoingon wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:

whatsgoingon wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:Who is Ron Jeremy?

Bruce Forsythe's "personal trainer"

I'll look into it. Ta.

I think this is one of the exercises he specialises in

If Nat comes on I'm not taking the rap for this. I didn't mention Brucie.

No sir,I did not.

Norpig wrote:i hope none of that ever happens Manda, the ST can't afford to run the club even if it went into administration. They have around 3000 members and it will be one less the way things are going.

Where would they get the money? Would they go back to the fabled local businesses to finance it? If the ST did take over we would be stuck in the bottom 2 leagues forever, even the Pompey people said that when they came up for the initial meeting.

I would much rather KA buys the shares and then sells on if he can't afford to finance us long term, which is the impression i've had of him since day 1

My belief is that he has been touting for investment from the minute he arrived and that something may be imminent thus the urgency to get DH out and gain full control, however it may be as simple as him being fed up up of him funding everything and DH not having a pot to piss in.

whatsgoingon wrote:

Bread2.0 wrote:Thanks for proving me right with your ridiculous reply.

The only thing proven here is that you are incapable of reasonable debate without resorting to your toys out of your pram tantrums.
You didn't finish the sentence in your reply where KA stated if the deal goes through trading will resume as normal, which would imply that as Sluffy said KA wants DH's shares possibly for a sale or possibly just because DH hasn't got any money and KA isn't prepared to continue funding it on his own.
The ridiculous Ron Jeremy analogy just shows your petulance and makes your reply the ridiculous one.
Does his statement prove he has the money? of course it doesn't but neither does he prove he hasn't so whether you choose to believe it is subjective, so to start throwing tantrums and stupid analogies says more about you than it does about Boggers.

Tantrums....?

All I did was point out that Boggers was stating that the article contained proof that KA has plenty of cash, when in fact, it didn't.

Boggers had fallen into the trap of reading a vague inference as a fact.

For the record, I don't doubt that KA has got the £800k required to fund the club for another month but nowhere in that article does it (A) confirm he has it or (B) suggest that he'd be willing to do so.

What he actually says is; "If DH gives me his shares, we can get this sorted and carry on."

And that could mean a whole host of things, most probably that if DH hands over the shares, KA can then flog the club on to someone who is actually willing to put their money in.

One thing I can't see, is KA putting any of his own money in.

He hasn't done thus far and I can't see him starting now.


And the bit about Ron Jeremy was my attempt at bringing some humour to the debate.

You should try it some time.

And with respect, the thing between the Boggersbelief character and myself predates your arrival on this site by quite a long time, so fuck off and keep your beak out, cunty bollocks.

As an ST member, very relieved that they wouldn't slip into KA's back pocket as many on here wanted them to do.

Bread2.0 wrote:

whatsgoingon wrote:

Bread2.0 wrote:Thanks for proving me right with your ridiculous reply.

The only thing proven here is that you are incapable of reasonable debate without resorting to your toys out of your pram tantrums.
You didn't finish the sentence in your reply where KA stated if the deal goes through trading will resume as normal, which would imply that as Sluffy said KA wants DH's shares possibly for a sale or possibly just because DH hasn't got any money and KA isn't prepared to continue funding it on his own.
The ridiculous Ron Jeremy analogy just shows your petulance and makes your reply the ridiculous one.
Does his statement prove he has the money? of course it doesn't but neither does he prove he hasn't so whether you choose to believe it is subjective, so to start throwing tantrums and stupid analogies says more about you than it does about Boggers.

Tantrums....?

All I did was point out that Boggers was stating that the article contained proof that KA has plenty of cash, when in fact, it didn't.

Boggers had fallen into the trap of reading a vague inference as a fact.

For the record, I don't doubt that KA has got the £800k required to fund the club for another month but nowhere in that article does it (A) confirm he has it or (B) suggest that he'd be willing to do so.

What he actually says is; "If DH gives me his shares, we can get this sorted and carry on."

And that could mean a whole host of things, most probably that if DH hands over the shares, KA can then flog the club on to someone who is actually willing to put their money in.

One thing I can't see, is KA putting any of his own money in.

He hasn't done thus far and I can't see him starting now.


And the bit about Ron Jeremy was my attempt at bringing some humour to the debate.

You should try it some time.

And with respect, the thing between the Boggersbelief character and myself predates your arrival on this site by quite a long time, so fuck off and keep your beak out, cunty bollocks.

it was such a measured response until the last paragraph 

King Bill wrote:As an ST member, very relieved that they wouldn't slip into KA's back pocket as many on here wanted them to do.

Yes indeed.

Norpig wrote:

Bread2.0 wrote:And with respect, the thing between the Boggersbelief character and myself predates your arrival on this site by quite a long time, so fuck off and keep your beak out, cunty bollocks.

it was such a measured response until the last paragraph 

Which is where the real Breadman1.0 resurfaced

whatsgoingon wrote:
Sluffy I have supported you in your views on the ST up to a point but even for you that is one almighty leap...

boltonbonce wrote:
Are you saying the ST don't have the interests of the club at heart?

Those who run the ST want OWNERSHIP of the club - they've even said as much recently when they said without the financial information they cannot buy Holdsworth shares due to their 'Trust' financial rules.

Why would they be constantly seeking such information and why is the Bolton News seeking such clarification on Holdsworth shares if there is no intention for some sort of club ownership by them?

Clearly Anderson doesn't want their involvement - he told them recently they have no right for prior knowledge about the club and as such they are not 'special' in anyway to anyone else.

From the tweets sent by the ST itself and personal tweets from a Board member and others - there is no trust in Anderson behaviour - so it would seem unlikely they are best pleased for him to remain at the club.

Also as I've said above it seems clear that a deal had been struck with Holdsworth over his involvement with the club well in advance to Andersons planned public Q and A, and all this came to an abrupt end a day or so before the event and immediately after a game where Holdsworth and the ST were in attendance or so I believe.

It is my opinion, that some sort of discussion between the two leading up to the game led to Holdsworth pulling out of the planned deal.

As for the Saudi investment - which curiously was strongly denied by Anderson - the only whisper I can find is that one of the ST board is apparently a well respected financial adviser to a Saudi business looking for investment opportunities.

Ok a great deal of conjecture and very little fact but what we do know is that Holdsworth seems to need to sell his shares, Anderson seems to want them in order to keep the club going and the ST loves Holdsworth but not Anderson and has more to gain with the club in financial difficulty than if it was running sweetly under the sole charge of Anderson.

If that is me making 'one almighty leap' or saying the ST 'does not have the club at heart' then of course you are welcome to your opinions - I simply see it as the way things are playing out and as such just stating my opinion of what I think is happening and why it has.

As for the rest WGO, I think you are factually incorrect in parts.

whatsgoingon wrote:I think the main problem is going to be the Blue Marble loan that DH used to buy the club, he is going to have to sell his shares for a decent profit just to be able to satisfy that loan and the interest/admin fees.
While KA and DH are the named directors my understanding is that the ownership of the club is joint between Sports Shield and Inner Circle Investments Ltd which while KA is sole director would seem to manage investments for people so maybe this is where the cash comes from.
Also the urgency for this may be because someone is waiting in the wings to buy the club and KA would prefer to have all the shares to simplify the transaction.
Either way I think the administration threat is a matter of KA brinksmanship because as Boggers stated the language used implies that the money is there should the sale of DH's shares go through.

The Blumarble debt is against Burnden Leisure - ie the club itself and has to be paid irrespective of whether Holdsworth is part of the club or not.  

I also doubt there is anybody stood waiting to buy the club either - the urgency is for Holdsworth 'shit or get off the pot' financially - and as he hasn't the money he needs to agree an exit for himself and let Anderson get on with things.

This HAD apparently been long since previously agreed - hence the public announcement of Andersons Q and A but something or someone change Holdsworth mind right at the last minute - which in turn as led to Anderson to call his bluff.

I wonder who or what brought about Holdsworth last minute change of mind.

I know what I think it was!

given the chance though they would though wouldn't they? They seem desperate to have some kind of say in the day to day running of the club but as a current ST member (and regretting it ever since) i don't think they could run a bath nevermind a football club.