So much for parliamentary democracy

The epitome of arrogance, sprawled across the Tory benches.

Bonce, you're telling me that you've never had a lie down at work?

Natasha Whittam wrote:Bonce, you're telling me that you've never had a lie down at work?

Never. Difficult working outdoors, but I will admit to buying an ice lolly on a hot day.

"No deal Brexit will be great for business,"  says the undertaker....

boltonbonce wrote:Never.

What about all those times you left work on a stretcher?

boltonbonce wrote:The epitome of arrogance, sprawled across the Tory benches.

Corbyn was slumped down in his chair yesterday also. 

Not mentioned once in the media.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:The epitome of arrogance, sprawled across the Tory benches.

Corbyn was slumped down in his chair yesterday also. 

Not mentioned once in the media.

Clutching at straws Hipster

karlypants wrote:Bercow is a jumped up little tosser that needs a good smacking.

Well yes he is a Tory after all !! BUT He does know the rules and procedure unlike both the PM and Chancellor who broke protocol.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wessy wrote:One things for certain Boris is desperate now for an election, without it he has backed himself into a corner, if he doesn't honour the leave on the 31st he is toast.

 If Labour have any sense they won't fall into the trap and allow an election before the deadline. Let the arrogant man hang himself when he fails.  

After PMQ's the Chancellor stood up to give his spending review(bribe for election) he didn't know the bloody procedure pulled up twice by the speaker what a plonker.

I think everything is going to Boris Johnson's plan.

He'll walk an election.

Explain his plan? six weeks into the job and loses his majority, he is a wounded animal, that makes him dangerous but he ain't got a plan that will work.

 No Election before deadline = No Boris unless of course he changes all the rules and sacks a few more of his own side. His behaviour so far is not really making him electable. He will lose seats in Scotland, He loses 21 faithful blues by is own hand. Looks like another hung parliament at best.

wessy wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wessy wrote:One things for certain Boris is desperate now for an election, without it he has backed himself into a corner, if he doesn't honour the leave on the 31st he is toast.

 If Labour have any sense they won't fall into the trap and allow an election before the deadline. Let the arrogant man hang himself when he fails.  

After PMQ's the Chancellor stood up to give his spending review(bribe for election) he didn't know the bloody procedure pulled up twice by the speaker what a plonker.

I think everything is going to Boris Johnson's plan.

He'll walk an election.

Explain his plan? six weeks into the job and loses his majority, he is a wounded animal, that makes him dangerous but he ain't got a plan that will work.

 No Election before deadline = No Boris unless of course he changes all the rules and sacks a few more of his own side. His behaviour so far is not really making him electable. He will lose seats in Scotland, He loses 21 faithful blues by is own hand. Looks like another hung parliament at best.

Plan is to strengthen his hand by having a big majority.

He could not do anything with such a tiny majority that May had left him with so he knew he was never going to achieve Brexit by October.

He knows that the EU don't believe we will ever go for a NO Deal Brexit - but also know IF we did it would cause pain on their side also.

There's no chance of them renegotiating when they know it isn't an option as things stand.

Johnson knows that by having a General Election and entering into a pact with the Brexit Party, as well as deselecting the Tory rebels (who will not all retain their seats if they stood as independents, that he will win comfortably.  Tory Brexit candidates will stand in the rebel 21 seats and win most/all of them.

The Brexit party will target Labour seats who voted for Brexit in the referendum (and recent European election) and the Tories will not contest them.

Similarly the Brexit Party will not stand against Tory seats.

Between them they will smash Labour under Corbyn - and that's why Corbyn won't back a GE unless a referendum is called first.

If there is a referendum and the people vote Brexit again, then there's not much point in the Brexit Party standing against them in the GE as Labour will be forced to support Brexit now (Corbyn always had anyway).  If the vote is Remain, then Labour is in a winning position and the vote sinks the whole Brexit debate (for now anyway).

Johnson will win big out of a GE and Labour be put to the sword by the Brexit Party outside of London, Wales and Scotland.

Conservatives plus Brexit Party seats will give a huge mandate for Brexit - even No Deal Brexit - and will force the EU to offer better terms.

That's the game that is being played I believe.

Sluffy wrote:

wessy wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wessy wrote:One things for certain Boris is desperate now for an election, without it he has backed himself into a corner, if he doesn't honour the leave on the 31st he is toast.

 If Labour have any sense they won't fall into the trap and allow an election before the deadline. Let the arrogant man hang himself when he fails.  

After PMQ's the Chancellor stood up to give his spending review(bribe for election) he didn't know the bloody procedure pulled up twice by the speaker what a plonker.

I think everything is going to Boris Johnson's plan.

He'll walk an election.

Explain his plan? six weeks into the job and loses his majority, he is a wounded animal, that makes him dangerous but he ain't got a plan that will work.

 No Election before deadline = No Boris unless of course he changes all the rules and sacks a few more of his own side. His behaviour so far is not really making him electable. He will lose seats in Scotland, He loses 21 faithful blues by is own hand. Looks like another hung parliament at best.

Plan is to strengthen his hand by having a big majority.

He could not do anything with such a tiny majority that May had left him with so he knew he was never going to achieve Brexit by October.

He knows that the EU don't believe we will ever go for a NO Deal Brexit - but also know IF we did it would cause pain on their side also.

There's no chance of them renegotiating when they know it isn't an option as things stand.

Johnson knows that by having a General Election and entering into a pact with the Brexit Party, as well as deselecting the Tory rebels (who will not all retain their seats if they stood as independents, that he will win comfortably.  Tory Brexit candidates will stand in the rebel 21 seats and win most/all of them.

The Brexit party will target Labour seats who voted for Brexit in the referendum (and recent European election) and the Tories will not contest them.

Similarly the Brexit Party will not stand against Tory seats.

Between them they will smash Labour under Corbyn - and that's why Corbyn won't back a GE unless a referendum is called first.

If there is a referendum and the people vote Brexit again, then there's not much point in the Brexit Party standing against them in the GE as Labour will be forced to support Brexit now (Corbyn always had anyway).  If the vote is Remain, then Labour is in a winning position and the vote sinks the whole Brexit debate (for now anyway).

Johnson will win big out of a GE and Labour be put to the sword by the Brexit Party outside of London, Wales and Scotland.

Conservatives plus Brexit Party seats will give a huge mandate for Brexit - even No Deal Brexit - and will force the EU to offer better terms.

That's the game that is being played I believe.

Sure is.

Taking candy from a baby, these labour lot are pretty much Stupid, can they not see it coming.

So no deal’s off the table now, meaning Boris’s master plan of crashing out without a deal has been scuppered.

So a general election will come down to if Labour can convince enough centrists that it’s plan on Brexit is achievable. Id happily take a Labour Lib Dem/SNP coalition if necessary.

It should be remembered that Labour were much further behind in the polls for the last GE and almost took it, plus Boris is far more divisive than May was for soft conservatives. All to play for so to speak.

Angry Dad wrote:Taking candy from a baby, these labour lot are pretty much Stupid, can they not see it coming.

Yes they can and that's why they are so desperate to have a second referendum before having the GE.

A normal Labour Party would have been pro EU/Remain all along.

The loonies in control with Corbyn as the leader have mismanaged Brexit all along, hoping to see the Tories destruct following on from Brexit and them staying in power because of it for the next three GE's at least.

Bad, bad, bad miscalculation as well as putting achieving of being in power themselves before the good of the country.

T.R.O.Y wrote:So no deal’s off the table now, meaning Boris’s master plan of crashing out without a deal has been scuppered.

So a general election will come down to if Labour can convince enough centrists that it’s plan on Brexit is achievable. Id happily take a Labour Lib Dem/SNP coalition if necessary.

It should be remembered that Labour were much further behind in the polls for the last GE and almost took it, plus Boris is far more divisive than May was for soft conservatives. All to play for so to speak.

The Brexit Party has been established since then.

Game changer.

Labour will lose mass seats against them outside London, Wales and Scotland.

The Brexit party are a flash in the pan. A general election would put the many nut jobs that'll be standing on their particular ticket, under serious media scrutiny, a scrutiny they didn't get at the European election.
It won't be a pretty sight.

Agree with you Bonce, especially as May has now gone they'll struggle to take the votes they did from the Tories. Boris will attract all the hard right nutters, the challenge for the centre and left (as always) is not being split in too many directions.

It will be a close run thing, but a right wing Tory party propped up by any seats the Brexit party can win plus the DUP doesn’t bear thinking about.

wessy wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

boltonbonce wrote:The epitome of arrogance, sprawled across the Tory benches.

Corbyn was slumped down in his chair yesterday also. 

Not mentioned once in the media.

Clutching at straws Hipster

No just pointing out that mogg isn't the only one in parliament who doesn't sit up straight.

T.R.O.Y wrote:So no deal’s off the table now, meaning Boris’s master plan of crashing out without a deal has been scuppered.

So a general election will come down to if Labour can convince enough centrists that it’s plan on Brexit is achievable. Id happily take a Labour Lib Dem/SNP coalition if necessary.

It should be remembered that Labour were much further behind in the polls for the last GE and almost took it, plus Boris is far more divisive than May was for soft conservatives. All to play for so to speak.

Labours plan is to negotiate a deal to leave and then campaign against it. Absolutely laughable. 

If they had any sense they'd come out as a party who wish to revoke article 50 and cut the lib Dems off at the knees.