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701How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Mar 24 2022, 20:37

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

okocha wrote:Bonce is so right!

And while it's normally petty to criticise someone for their appearance when it's policies, integrity, competence, decency, fairness, articulacy and honesty that matter, nevertheless when I looked at this morning's press photo of the Nato leaders assembled, Johnson's appearance was in marked contrast to the very professional, smart attire of everyone else. They looked like world leaders to be respected.

Boris looked as if he'd just awakened from a night asleep in his car, baggy, crumpled jacket, tie skewiff, creased shirt hanging out of his ill-fitting trousers, stomach to the fore, and of course tousled, uncombed, unkempt hair. His facial expression was grotesquely inappropriate. In short a total embarrassment on the world stage.

And all this would not matter one jot if his appearance were not perfectly symbolic of his shabby,  thought-processes, confused policies and garbled empty rhetoric which confirm him as a clown (who happens also to be a liar and bully to whom empathy and compassion are strangers.)
They'd be all over it, if it was Michael Foot or Corbyn.

702How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Mar 25 2022, 08:41

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Come on guys, it’s all part of what makes Boris so likeable, though not by you obviously. Equally you can’t seriously compare BoJo with Corbyn and Foot who were both Characterless minnows compared to Boris. The only thing that unites them is the fact that no matter how much time was spent trying to make them look smart, they’d still look like a bag of rags. Fortunately Boris is smart in other ways which the other too never were. 😀

703How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Mar 25 2022, 09:07

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:Come on guys, it’s all part of what makes Boris so likeable, though not by you obviously. Equally you can’t seriously compare BoJo with Corbyn and Foot who were both Characterless minnows compared to Boris. The only thing that unites them is the fact that no matter how much time was spent trying to make them look smart, they’d still look like a bag of rags. Fortunately Boris is smart in other ways which the other too never were. 😀
You have to be kidding White.
If you reckon that a lying, creeping, morally bankrupt, self-promoting con man has "character" you need to give yourself a good talking to.

704How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Mar 25 2022, 11:08

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

wanderlust wrote:
You have to be kidding White.
If you reckon that a lying, creeping, morally bankrupt, self-promoting con man has "character" you need to give yourself a good talking to.
T'm saying nothing, in case he gets someone to beat me up.

705How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Mar 25 2022, 13:45

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

boltonbonce wrote:T'm saying nothing, in case he gets someone to beat me up.

He'll have to join the queue.

706How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Mar 25 2022, 14:27

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:

He'll have to join the queue.
:rofl:

707How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Mar 25 2022, 19:06

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

I see Eddie Mair, the journalist that first exposed Johnson to the world as a corrupt liar and a thug, is winding down to retirement. A shame.....

708How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 10:01

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Interesting article in today's Telegraph which puts into clear focus where this government's priorities lie. The paltry sums Sunak announced in the spring statement which equate to a quarter of the amount we have to pay annually just on the interest on the unprecedented level of national debt he created could be boosted (and the national debt reduced) if the government was willing to enforce the collection of outstanding taxes. This is what the Telegraph says:



"HMRC has been accused of lacking a “clear plan” to claw back £39bn in unpaid taxes after the debt mountain grew considerably during the pandemic.
MPs on the Public Accounts Committee said the taxman must urgently ramp up plans to recover the missing cash, which is particularly crucial at a time when the public finances and household living standards are under strain.
They said: “We are not satisfied that HMRC has a clear plan to tackle the mountain of tax debt which has built up during the pandemic.” 
The MPs called for a detailed plan within the next six months to show targets, decisions on write-offs and contingency arrangements for future problems collecting funds.

The pile of unpaid taxes climbed from £16bn pre-Covid to a peak of £67bn in August 2020, after the first lockdown.

It has since fallen to £39bn, but MPs fear “the debt which is left is likely to be the toughest to collect and rates of repayment have slowed”.

Dame Meg Hillier, the committee’s chairman, said the taxman has a delicate task ensuring it does not harm companies as they recover from Covid, while also clamping down on abuse of the system.

She said: “HMRC must tread carefully, taking a sensitive approach that supports a renewing economy, and doesn’t necessarily include bailiffs coming knocking.

“At the same time, HMRC’s challenges chasing down high-wealth individuals and companies who take advantage of every trick in the book to avoid and evade tax and outrun the law are well-known.

“Those tricks are just not available to ordinary people, now emerging from the misery of the pandemic into an exploding cost of living crisis. HMRC must push much harder at the doors - no matter where they are - of those who are not paying their fair share.”

This includes a warning from the MPs that “rogue companies are exploiting the pandemic to profit at the expense of taxpayers”.

They fear that steps to loosen the insolvency rules during Covid, combined with the large-scale offer of emergency grants and loans, has let bad businesses “embezzle large sums”.




“In particular, there is an increased risk from ‘phoenix’ companies (whereby individuals continue the same trade through a series of companies that are wound up, usually to avoid paying debts),” the MPs said, adding that it is not clear how HMRC can assert there has been no rise in the number of such cases"

709How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 10:55

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Lusty, I know you want to have a go at Sunak for everything Financial but this is HMRC we’re talking about, full of your like minded and woke Labourites, so maybe you should be pointing the finger where it really belongs instead of trying to make out it’s the chancellor. Clearly measures were softened during Covid to prevent or reduce damage to both individuals and companies due to measures taken by the government but that shouldn’t stop those in HMRC who are employed to do the chasing from recovering what’s owed now. Just point the finger where it really belongs.

710How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 10:57

Whitesince63


Andy Walker
Andy Walker

wanderlust wrote:
You have to be kidding White.
If you reckon that a lying, creeping, morally bankrupt, self-promoting con man has "character" you need to give yourself a good talking to.
We’ll if he is all those things you’ve stated Lusty, then I’d say it proves my point exactly about his character and him being a smart cookie, because he made it to PM!! 😊

711How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 14:27

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Whitesince63 wrote:
We’ll if he is all those things you’ve stated Lusty, then I’d say it proves my point exactly about his character and him being a smart cookie, because he made it to PM!! 😊
Putin and Hitler were "smart" under your definition....and any other autocrat you'd care to mention.

712How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 14:47

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:Lusty, I know you want to have a go at Sunak for everything Financial but this is HMRC we’re talking about, full of your like minded and woke Labourites, so maybe you should be pointing the finger where it really belongs instead of trying to make out it’s the chancellor. Clearly measures were softened during Covid to prevent or reduce damage to both individuals and companies due to measures taken by the government but that shouldn’t stop those in HMRC who are employed to do the chasing from recovering what’s owed now. Just point the finger where it really belongs.
Don't want to get into the relationship between politicians and civil servants again otherwise we'll have you know who speculating above his pay grade again, but the point I was making is that the loans that Sunak took on to spend on e.g. £7 billion of PPE that had to be burned or on loans to dodgy businesses made without due diligence has piled on additional interest payments that consume more government spending.
I accept that the failure to chase down bad tax debt especially from the very wealthy lies at the door of HMRC - but it can hardly be said to be apolitical given that it is the PAC that is holding HMRC to account.
And the reality is politicians tell civil servants what to do because they are responsible for the enactment of party policies - lackeys if you like.
You can't argue that the Tories stole a load of northern votes with the promise to deliver HS2 and then blame it's failure on the construction companies or those tasked with procuring it. Or can you?

I don't "blame Sunak for everything financial"- I just think that a Chancellor who wasn't richer than the Queen and didn't focus spending our money on the populist vote in order to position himself for the main job would be more in touch with reality, less frivolous with our money and more aware of the impact of his mess on the lives of ordinary people.

He's just a another posh idiot who thinks he's being clever IMO.

713How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 14:48

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:
We’ll if he is all those things you’ve stated Lusty, then I’d say it proves my point exactly about his character and him being a smart cookie, because he made it to PM!! 😊
Yep - he certainly fooled you.

714How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 15:40

Sluffy

Sluffy
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wanderlust wrote:
Whitesince63 wrote:Lusty, I know you want to have a go at Sunak for everything Financial but this is HMRC we’re talking about, full of your like minded and woke Labourites, so maybe you should be pointing the finger where it really belongs instead of trying to make out it’s the chancellor. Clearly measures were softened during Covid to prevent or reduce damage to both individuals and companies due to measures taken by the government but that shouldn’t stop those in HMRC who are employed to do the chasing from recovering what’s owed now. Just point the finger where it really belongs.
Don't want to get into the relationship between politicians and civil servants again otherwise we'll have you know who speculating above his pay grade again, but the point I was making is that the loans that Sunak took on to spend on e.g. £7 billion of PPE that had to be burned or on loans to dodgy businesses made without due diligence has piled on additional interest payments that consume more government spending.
I accept that the failure to chase down bad tax debt especially from the very wealthy lies at the door of HMRC - but it can hardly be said to be apolitical given that it is the PAC that is holding HMRC to account.
And the reality is politicians tell civil servants what to do because they are responsible for the enactment of party policies - lackeys if you like.
You can't argue that the Tories stole a load of northern votes with the promise to deliver HS2 and then blame it's failure on the construction companies or those tasked with procuring it. Or can you?

I don't "blame Sunak for everything financial"- I just think that a Chancellor who wasn't richer than the Queen and didn't focus spending our money on the populist vote in order to position himself for the main job would be more in touch with reality, less frivolous with our money and more aware of the impact of his mess on the lives of ordinary people.

He's just a another posh idiot who thinks he's being clever IMO.

:facepalm:

63, HMRC staff are almost certainly to be as much for (or against) voting for Labour as most other professional organisations in this country.

I've no idea why you believe the organisation to be staffed exclusively by woke, Labourites???

As for Wanderlust, the executive (the government) formulate policies, the civil servants enacted them - they certainly are not "told what to do", as you have stated here and multiple times in the past...

..."lackies" you say, you do make me laugh!!!

As for the loans to 'dodgy businessmen', the only alternative to ensure there was no bad debts accruing from them would have been not to issue any at all - and watch the economy of the country implode instead!!!

And you also infer that the treasury should not have funded the purchased PPE so I assume you would therefore have wanted our NHS and care homes to go without any at all over the whole totality of the Covid pandemic!!!

You really are utterly bonkers at times!

And do you really believe the voters in the north voted Tory because it was all about them wanting the HS2?

I guess you must do as you wrote it!!!

You really are a looney!!!

:rofl:

715How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 16:50

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I even went to the trouble of showing you how to spell lackeys and you still f***** it up ya turkie!

:rofl:

716How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Mar 26 2022, 22:25

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

wanderlust wrote:I even went to the trouble of showing you how to spell lackeys and you still f***** it up ya turkie!

:rofl:

:facepalm:

I have dyslexia.

Dyslexics spell words wrong - that's what dyslexics do!

It really isn't a big deal but if you think it is, then enjoy the moment!

I'm sure I'll be spelling loads more other words wrong in the future and I doubt anyone but you will be overly bothered about it...


...nor crass or pathetic enough to even make an issue of it!

Have a nice day!



Crass
adjective

Showing no intelligence or sensitivity.

Rolling Eyes

717How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Mon Mar 28 2022, 01:44

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Must be a rare form of dyslexia. I know several people who have dyslexia but none of them feel the need to try to make themselves look clever to a bunch of strangers all the time Smile

718How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Mon Mar 28 2022, 10:16

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Government doing a bit of wheeling and dealing this week.
We're buying a 20% share in Sizewell C as are the French. Two obvious aspects of this are the benefits of getting more control over our own power generation on the one hand and the concern that it's not attracting the other 60% of private investment required to finish the project on the other. New investment will be a crucial to build the other nuclear plants we'll need soon too.
Meanwhile they've sold off some more shares in NatWest so that now we're not the majority shareholder. At the time of the crisis Gordon Brown said that propping NatWest up was not an attempt to nationalise, but that the shares would be sold back "when the time is right". Given the debt interest we're now paying, I'm guessing that time is now.

719How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Mon Mar 28 2022, 10:38

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

wanderlust wrote:Must be a rare form of dyslexia. I know several people who have dyslexia but none of them feel the need to try to make themselves look clever to a bunch of strangers all the time Smile

Mate you're wasting your time, you really are.

I've had people have a pop at me because I've not been able to spell well for over sixty years.

It's never defined me and never held me back in my life.

You can't embarrass or humiliate me or whatever it is you are attempting to do because not being a good speller is a part of who I am and I'm happy being who I am.

What you are doing actually says vastly more about your personality defects and inadequacies than any of mine.



Oh nearly forgot to add a smiley face to hide behind like you do when you 'pretend' what you've posted is 'jokey' when we all know it really isn't...

720How is the Tory government doing? - Page 36 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Mon Mar 28 2022, 12:08

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

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