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1Scottish Independence. Empty Scottish Independence. on Tue Nov 26 2013, 12:50

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
With the publishing today of the paper on Scottish Independence, what will be the true cost for Scotland and for the others remaining in the UK be?
Will the Scottish Government proportionately repay for the bailing out of RBS or will they choose to turn a blind eye?
Will being a member of the EU be on the agenda, and could Scotland become another sick man of Europe?
Or is this just a bunch of 'Bravehearts' stamping their feet and going on a power trip?
Seems a bit half in half out to me.

2Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Tue Nov 26 2013, 12:57

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
According to their manifesto they wish to keep the Pound. Now how will that work?

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/independence-blueprint-published-2

3Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Tue Nov 26 2013, 13:03

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Some interesting snippets from ' Oor Salmond '

Having set out plans to keep the pound, the paper states that Scotland would "not seek membership" of the eurozone.

The paper also sets out plans for Scotland to negotiate its way from "being a Nato member as part of the UK to becoming an independent member of the alliance".

It goes on to state: "Scotland would take our place as one of the many non-nuclear members of Nato."

On the issue of Trident nuclear weapons, which are currently based on the Clyde, the paper pledges: "Following a vote for independence we would make early agreement on the speediest safe removal of nuclear weapons a priority."

"We have contributed more in taxes per person than the rest of the UK for every single one of the last 32 years."

"We'll have to tackle a legacy of debt, of low growth, of social inequality, bequeathed to us by Westminster control of our economy," he said.

4Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Tue Nov 26 2013, 13:42

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Going to read the paper but this sounds like a Scotsmen with a massive chip on his shoulders.
Does this mean the old firm will never play in the Prem and Berwick will get thrown out?

5Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Tue Nov 26 2013, 17:32

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
It's really a sterile debate as the opinion polls say that the vote will be a resounding NO vote- in other words keep things as they are.
So the real event at the referendum will be the end of Shreks (aka Alec Salmonds) political career.

6Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Tue Nov 26 2013, 18:13

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@rammywhite wrote:It's really a sterile debate as the opinion polls say that the vote will be a resounding NO vote- in other words keep things as they are.
So the real event at the referendum will be the end of Shreks (aka Alec Salmonds) political career.
It's funny you should say that Rammy because I watched the politics show on Sunday when the issue of Scottish independence was raised. It seems pretty obvious to me that most Scots will vote No and I suspect deep down that Salmond must know it as well.

7Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Tue Nov 26 2013, 18:22

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I wonder how much all this charade will have actually have cost when the day comes.
To assume continued membership of the Eurozone and to use the pound as a currency seems rather ill thought by Salmond and his mates.
It would appear that further assumptions about the longevity of the remaining North Sea Oil varies wildly, something which the income of the country is supposedly based on!
Has as been said a rather sterile debate, but what a waste of cash, given that the status quo will more than likely remain.

8Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Tue Nov 26 2013, 23:28

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Reebok Trotter wrote:Some interesting snippets from ' Oor Salmond '

"We have contributed more in taxes per person than the rest of the UK for every single one of the last 32 years."



Really? Scotland has had more than its fair share of handouts from the state as well during this time.

Also there are some massive assumptions being made. Apart from assuming that they can keep the pound they seem to be overlooking the fact that as a new country they would have to apply to join the EU (and all new applicants have to join the Euro).

I don't think they will vote yes though. 

9Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 09:25

Reebok_Rebel

Reebok_Rebel
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
On the issue of Trident nuclear weapons, which are currently based on the Clyde, the paper pledges: "Following a vote for independence we would make early agreement on the speediest safe removal of nuclear weapons a priority."


Good, They are ours and are staying ours. 


Reading the rest of it, they sound like a bunch of moaning, deluded self-serving wankers. 


You take your Independence, we will take our billions a year in funding, our nuclear deterrent and our North Sea Oil pipeline back... 

10Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 09:54

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Its all about Salmon do ego. It'll finish up in the dustbin!!

11Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 11:12

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
I've glanced through the promises and pledges made and they're derisory.
Every tax will be reduced- every benefit will be increased. It's like a 12 year olds school essay of what they would like for the country for Christmas.
It's like a hostile divorce where one party says they'll have everything they want and the other party has no say in the matter
If the Scots are deluded into accepting this drivel and vote for independence- then good because they must all be as thick as pigshit, and we'd be better off without them

12Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 11:23

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@rammywhite wrote:I've glanced through the promises and pledges made and they're derisory.
Every tax will be reduced- every benefit will be increased. It's like a 12 year olds school essay of what they would like for the country for Christmas.
It's like a hostile divorce where one party says they'll have everything they want and the other party has no say in the matter
If the Scots are deluded into accepting this drivel and vote for independence- then good because they must all be as thick as pigshit, and we'd be better off without them
:clap:

13Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 13:28

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
I will be voting Yes.

14Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 13:49

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:I will be voting Yes.
Make sure you show your passport at the Reebok!

15Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 18:08

gloswhite

gloswhite
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
If they do get independence, can we deport DF if he doesn't perform well enough ? Very Happy

16Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 18:12

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
It would make my day if they did vote yes.

17Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 19:26

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Why AD? What's your reasoning?

18Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Wed Nov 27 2013, 19:28

Reebok Trotter

Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
AD has no time for anyone north of Tabley.

19Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Thu Nov 28 2013, 09:23

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
It's official (sort of) - Scotland would have to apply to join the EU:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25132026

and Spain would probably veto their application as she doesn't want Catalonia doing the same thing!

20Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Thu Nov 28 2013, 16:12

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
@Soul Kitchen wrote:Why AD? What's your reasoning?
My brother lives there and he's a twat plus I hate labour with a vengeance and it would likely cause them problems come election time.That said SK I don't like the Tories or the lib dems. Also it annoy's Hipster if you are anti scots:D

21Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Thu Nov 28 2013, 18:01

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Thanks for that. I think small attention has been paid to the number of Labour seats in Scotland. All this lot is a load of chest beating by SNP.
The downside for the jocks if they took independence would I suspect be similar to the UK quitting the EU, but a crystal ball is always a handy piece of kit.

22Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Thu Nov 28 2013, 18:24

xmiles

xmiles
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
The main downside of Scotland becoming independent is that the rest of us would be condemned to a Tory government forever as without the Scottish Labour seats the Labour party will never form another government.

23Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Thu Nov 28 2013, 18:30

Angry Dad

Angry Dad
Youri Djorkaeff
Youri Djorkaeff
I Know that's what I like about it,they should never be allowed near the economy again.

24Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Mon Sep 08 2014, 16:20

Reebok_Rebel

Reebok_Rebel
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2014/sep/04/scottish-independence-scotland-defence-trident

Ive not paid much attention to this of late, but reading this got my back up... 

OK, so they don't want our nuclear deterrent - good. However, they 'expect' us to basically GIVE them a military infrastructure for free - they will take over our airfields, army bases and ports and run them themselves along with "part of britans military hardware - Fighter Jets, weapons, tanks etc...

   - fine, they can have the land and the airfields etc, but if i was in government, id tell the cheeky bastards to fuck off - our submarines, our cruse missiles, our APC's, our tanks, our guns - NOT YOURS, Id say - "you are now an independent country - so form your own defense forces, buy your own fighter jets and other hardware, ours are coming 'home'

They can start by buying the Euro-fighter Typhoon off us - £67million a pop, bargain. 

You watch the 'pro-Scotland' camp change course pretty quick then...

25Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Mon Sep 08 2014, 16:26

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It won't happen. People will get to the voting booth and bottle it. Even Hipster.

26Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Mon Sep 08 2014, 16:32

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
for free? haha. You're right Scotland has contributed NOTHING to the united kingdom. We're not entitled to anything whatsoever.

and no I wont bottle it Nat, but I do agree with you, the majority of people in Scotland aren't interested in change, change scares people, but there has been a surge in Yes support in communities from what I'm reading and seeing it's just too late.

27Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Mon Sep 08 2014, 16:36

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
The pound is Scottish so why on earth would they even consider changing it?

So nobody is slightly concerned that the vast majority of UK North Sea Oil and Gas interests are in Scottish Waters? As are what's left of the British fishing waters.
Or that nuclear facilities will have to be rehoused in England? (that should go down well with the English who are without exception NIMBYs)

Scotland already has a defence force and has historically been a significant contributor in terms of manpower. And why should they give up the weapons RR? They've paid for them just as much as the English. 

Needs to be thought through but I must say that Westminster seriously needs to wake up and put a sensible response together.

28Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Mon Sep 08 2014, 16:39

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
I refer to a previous post. How can a jock not get a vote but a Polish person can? Note the PC approach!?! 
They can fuck right off for me. Football wise, the jocks contribute fuck all to the English game!!! :Df

29Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Mon Sep 08 2014, 16:42

Soul Kitchen

Soul Kitchen
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo
Defence capability? Are bagpipes an automatic version of the blowpipe? 
The Bank of Scotland had to bailed out by the majority!!!!!

30Scottish Independence. Empty Re: Scottish Independence. on Mon Sep 08 2014, 16:48

wanderlust


Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Bank of Scotland is the Halifax

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