The rise and rise of UKIP...

Breadman wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:

Before you start clapping, we need clarification on who Wessy thinks is stuck in the 16th century - 84 or the Muslims.

Magical comment Breadman, both of course lol

I'll accept both!

Me too.

Phew....!

And me!

Natasha Whittam wrote:For some reason this photo amuses me - Runa Khan sent down today for 5 years for promoting terrorism on Facebook. Love the shades.

She's just a dedicated follower of fashion.

Let's change this thread to the Rise and Rise of the Green party, they are the future of British politics get used to it.

http://t.co/fQ82PO5aQT

I agree a lot with the green party's internal, social and economic policies - I agree that public services should be de-privatized and a government should be run for the benefit of its people and not just to make a tiny minority billionaires... 

However, 3 things scare the living shit out of me with these lot... 

1) total lack of immigration controls - basically, open the gates for anyone to come in regardless of space, state of economy, criminal status etc... 

2) Defence - They seem to be under the impression that we can just scrap our nuclear weapons and most of our armed forces, the ones that are left, I sense will be armed with just catapults made from ethically sourced organic African peace rubber and firing only natural soft sea-sponges. our nuclear deterrent will be replaced with gliders dropping 'strongly worded leaflets' in retaliation to the people who have just destroyed our county. basically, we would be sitting ducks. We would be out of NATO and on our own as a 'neutral country' - a country that half the world wants to flatten for whatever reason... 

Energy - Sorry, but a country's electricity demands cannot be even closely met using renewable sources, im not saying don't use them - of course we should, but we should invest in Nuclear power as our main source of electricity generation. the benefits for outweigh the risks!

The greens would immediately form a committee.

I was actually thinking of EXACTLY the same scene!

Reebok_Rebel wrote:I was actually thinking of EXACTLY the same scene!

It's a beauty isn't it.

It is, 
On a serious note though, this countries future terrifies me. 
Cameron is a thatcher-loving, toffee-nosed faggot who 'grew up on an estate too'with his head so far up his own arse he can smell the poor peoples taxes in his pocket... 
Milliband is too young and nice, I sense he's a pushover. Although if I HAD to vote for somebody by law... he stands a chance. 
Nick Clegg... well, a sell-out, lier and cheat. interested in his own pocket, will even change his political beliefs for power, wanker.  
Mr MC 'Nige' Farage - annoying face, complete loony who got lucky with finding some common ground with BNP supporters and has sonly ONE actual real policy... the rest of the UKIP manifesto was written on toilet paper when taking a shit after several real ales. Former Hedge-fund manager who is in politics to make himself richer, if he gets in to power, im leaving. id trust cameron in charge for another term before this idiot. 
Green party - see above. no chance. 

Basically, I see not one party or politician that fits in with my political beliefs who has a real chance of ever getting a seat. Somebody needs to start a  party sitting on the border of socialist and capitalist principles. they can be mixed.

typed on my phone! sorry.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wessy wrote:I fully understand why disgruntled Tories are swayed by UKIP, after all UKIP are a right of centre political party made up of disgruntled Tories. (Farage, the Hamiltons and the two that jumped ship) They appeal to the far right.

However it is beyond my comprehension how any Labour voter can decide to jump from the left/ centre of the political spectrum over to the far right with UKIP.

Either they are idiots or do not in any way understand politics.

It is totally beyond my comprehension why anyone would vote Labour. They were fucking terrible last time they were in power, bringing the country to its knees. If they were still in charge I have no doubt we'd be another Greece.

When I hear people saying "they always vote Labour" or "my family has always voted Labour" I really fear for this country. You should vote for the party that is best on the day, not the party your granddad voted for 50 years ago.

Nobody's grandad voted Labour for 50 years because the Labour party was closed down in the 80s and the current bunch of Tory tossers aka "New Labour" have got nothing to do with Socialism or the Labour Party of 50 years ago whatsoever.
Completely different branch of middle of the road politics using a name they stole from a long-extinct party.

That's where UKIP step in as since the death of Socialism in the UK there has been nobody else for the disenfranchised to lodge their protest with until UKIP came along to fill the void.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

Basically, I see not one party or politician that fits in with my political beliefs who has a real chance of ever getting a seat. Somebody needs to start a  party sitting on the border of socialist and capitalist principles. they can be mixed.

Rebel, can't you see that the Tories have done a decent job during their time in power? Not perfect by any means, but the country is heading in the right direction. If Labour get in it will all be for nothing and we'll be in recession within 2 years.

People should vote with their heads and not on which politician is the most likeable. All politician are twats, that's a given, but better to go with a twat with a proven plan than a twat with a recent history of putting the country in recession.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

Basically, I see not one party or politician that fits in with my political beliefs who has a real chance of ever getting a seat. Somebody needs to start a  party sitting on the border of socialist and capitalist principles. they can be mixed.

Rebel, can't you see that the Tories have been cunts during their time in power? Not decent by any means, but the country is heading down the shitter. If Labour get in it will all be for the best and we'll be in a state of recovery within 2 years.

:iagree:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

Basically, I see not one party or politician that fits in with my political beliefs who has a real chance of ever getting a seat. Somebody needs to start a  party sitting on the border of socialist and capitalist principles. they can be mixed.

Rebel, can't you see that the Tories have done a decent job during their time in power?

no. 

They are bleeding everybody who earns less than 200,000K a year dry. The Tories are all toffs who want to make their friends richer, fucking everyone else. 

The economy is no better now than it was 5 years ago. The only difference is, thousands more are jobless, councils don't have the financial means to do virtually anything, and everybody (bar the 2% of the population who dont even have to think about money) is poorer.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
no. 

They are bleeding everybody who earns less than 200,000K a year dry. The Tories are all toffs who want to make their friends richer, fucking everyone else. 

The economy is no better now than it was 5 years ago. The only difference is, thousands more are jobless, councils don't have the financial means to do virtually anything, and everybody (bar the 2% of the population who dont even have to think about money) is poorer.

That's bollocks and you know it. The country was in a mess when the Tories took over. They took some tough decisions that clearly weren't popular but have contributed to the economy we see today.

If you're not better off than you were 5 years ago I suggest you see your boss - he's clearly funnelling some of your wage into his hooker account.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
no. 

They are bleeding everybody who earns less than 200,000K a year dry. The Tories are all toffs who want to make their friends richer, fucking everyone else. 

The economy is no better now than it was 5 years ago. The only difference is, thousands more are jobless, councils don't have the financial means to do virtually anything, and everybody (bar the 2% of the population who dont even have to think about money) is poorer.

That's bollocks and you know it. The country was in a mess when the Tories took over. They took some tough decisions that clearly weren't popular but have contributed to the economy we see today.

If you're not better off than you were 5 years ago I suggest you see your boss - he's clearly funnelling some of your wage into his hooker account.

I  am better off. 

Partly due to a pay-rise. Partly due to helping my Mrs start and run her own company. partly due to inheriting my grandmothers house. 

I pay the minimum amount of tax I can get away with, I go to great lengths to avoid HMRC finding out about every penny I get as when they take it all off me, it pays for nothing that benefits me or my fellow townsfolk. I have no pension fund except money stashed away where our money grabbing government cant get at it when times get a little harder and our government starts stealing other peoples money. 

I'm better off in spite of the government, not due to them. 

I'm paying more council tax than ever before, and its going on nothing, im lucky that things work out for me and im financially comfortable - others aren't.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
I  am better off. 

Partly due to a pay-rise. Partly due to helping my Mrs start and run her own company. partly due to inheriting my grandmothers house. 

I pay the minimum amount of tax I can get away with, I go to great lengths to avoid HMRC finding out about every penny I get as when they take it all off me, it pays for nothing that benefits me or my fellow townsfolk. I have no pension fund except money stashed away where our money grabbing government cant get at it when times get a little harder and our government starts stealing other peoples money. 

I'm better off in spite of the government, not due to them. 

I'm paying more council tax than ever before, and its going on nothing, im lucky that things work out for me and im financially comfortable - others aren't.

You just moaned about the council's not having enough cash, then moaned about having to pay too much council tax. You can't have both.

No one is saying things are perfect, but put Labour in charge and things will be much worse.

In the Autumn of 2010 the UK economy was recovering from the banking crisis with the OBR revising growth figures from 1.2% to 1.8%. The the Torie cuts took hold, too many of them, too quickly and we went back in to recession. The longest recovery in 100 years thanks to austerity instead of doing anything to encourage growth the government squeezed public spending. 

They promised to move the economy away from debt and into importing and exporting, have they done that? Nope, again everybody's relying on borrowed money which could blow up again at any time.

They've missed every single one of their deficit targets, borrowing £91bn. Incidentally they branded Labours target of 71bn highly dangerous, yet they're borrowing £20bn more... and £50bn more than their own target.

More people are using food banks than every before, and just to sum up the priorities Osbourne and Cameron have they've made £80bn worth of benefit cuts, whilst bankers have received that in bonuses. Bonuses which Osbourne went to the EU to fight against a cap on. IMO they've been on the wrong side on just about every major issue that's come up during their time in office ie Syria where Cameron wanted us to go to war, or phone hacking where Cameron was a bit too close to Coulson and Brooks for my liking, the bankers consistently breaking the law, the expenses scandal implicating Osborne himself etc etc.