The rise and rise of UKIP...

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wessy wrote:I fully understand why disgruntled Tories are swayed by UKIP, after all UKIP are a right of centre political party made up of disgruntled Tories. (Farage, the Hamiltons and the two that jumped ship) They appeal to the far right.

However it is beyond my comprehension how any Labour voter can decide to jump from the left/ centre of the political spectrum over to the far right with UKIP.

Either they are idiots or do not in any way understand politics.

It is totally beyond my comprehension why anyone would vote Labour. They were fucking terrible last time they were in power, bringing the country to its knees. If they were still in charge I have no doubt we'd be another Greece.

When I hear people saying "they always vote Labour" or "my family has always voted Labour" I really fear for this country. You should vote for the party that is best on the day, not the party your granddad voted for 50 years ago.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

Basically, I see not one party or politician that fits in with my political beliefs who has a real chance of ever getting a seat. Somebody needs to start a  party sitting on the border of socialist and capitalist principles. they can be mixed.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

Basically, I see not one party or politician that fits in with my political beliefs who has a real chance of ever getting a seat. Somebody needs to start a  party sitting on the border of socialist and capitalist principles. they can be mixed.

Rebel, can't you see that the Tories have been cunts during their time in power? Not decent by any means, but the country is heading down the shitter. If Labour get in it will all be for the best and we'll be in a state of recovery within 2 years.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

Basically, I see not one party or politician that fits in with my political beliefs who has a real chance of ever getting a seat. Somebody needs to start a  party sitting on the border of socialist and capitalist principles. they can be mixed.

Rebel, can't you see that the Tories have done a decent job during their time in power?

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
no. 

They are bleeding everybody who earns less than 200,000K a year dry. The Tories are all toffs who want to make their friends richer, fucking everyone else. 

The economy is no better now than it was 5 years ago. The only difference is, thousands more are jobless, councils don't have the financial means to do virtually anything, and everybody (bar the 2% of the population who dont even have to think about money) is poorer.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
no. 

They are bleeding everybody who earns less than 200,000K a year dry. The Tories are all toffs who want to make their friends richer, fucking everyone else. 

The economy is no better now than it was 5 years ago. The only difference is, thousands more are jobless, councils don't have the financial means to do virtually anything, and everybody (bar the 2% of the population who dont even have to think about money) is poorer.

That's bollocks and you know it. The country was in a mess when the Tories took over. They took some tough decisions that clearly weren't popular but have contributed to the economy we see today.

If you're not better off than you were 5 years ago I suggest you see your boss - he's clearly funnelling some of your wage into his hooker account.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:
I  am better off. 

Partly due to a pay-rise. Partly due to helping my Mrs start and run her own company. partly due to inheriting my grandmothers house. 

I pay the minimum amount of tax I can get away with, I go to great lengths to avoid HMRC finding out about every penny I get as when they take it all off me, it pays for nothing that benefits me or my fellow townsfolk. I have no pension fund except money stashed away where our money grabbing government cant get at it when times get a little harder and our government starts stealing other peoples money. 

I'm better off in spite of the government, not due to them. 

I'm paying more council tax than ever before, and its going on nothing, im lucky that things work out for me and im financially comfortable - others aren't.

Natasha Whittam wrote:


You just moaned about the council's not having enough cash, then moaned about having to pay too much council tax. You can't have both.

No one is saying things are perfect, but put Labour in charge and things will be much worse.

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

I resent paying council tax for my money to get swallowed up paying ridiculous salaries to posh bastards I don't even know and who have no interest in the the issues within my locality. 

I'm lucky to live in a good area, but parts of chorley is a ghetto and is getting worse.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok_Rebel wrote:

I resent paying council tax for my money to get swallowed up paying ridiculous salaries to posh bastards I don't even know and who have no interest in the the issues within my locality. 

I'm lucky to live in a good area, but parts of chorley is a ghetto and is getting worse.

Your council tax goes towards the bin men, libraries, street cleaning and all the other vital services. If rich bastards like yourself paid a little more tax things would be much better for everyone.

You slag off all these so-called rich posh people yet admit you don't declare all your earnings to the tax man. Aren't you doing just what they do?

bwfc1874 wrote:In the Autumn of 2010 the UK economy was recovering from the banking crisis with the OBR revising growth figures from 1.2% to 1.8%. The the Torie cuts took hold, too many of them, too quickly and we went back in to recession. The longest recovery in 100 years thanks to austerity instead of doing anything to encourage growth the government squeezed public spending. 

They promised to move the economy away from debt and into importing and exporting, have they done that? Nope, again everybody's relying on borrowed money which could blow up again at any time.

They've missed every single one of their deficit targets, borrowing £91bn. Incidentally they branded Labours target of 71bn highly dangerous, yet they're borrowing £20bn more... and £50bn more than their own target.

More people are using food banks than every before, and just to sum up the priorities Osbourne and Cameron have they've made £80bn worth of benefit cuts, whilst bankers have received that in bonuses. Bonuses which Osbourne went to the EU to fight against a cap on. IMO they've been on the wrong side on just about every major issue that's come up during their time in office ie Syria where Cameron wanted us to go to war, or phone hacking where Cameron was a bit too close to Coulson and Brooks for my liking, the bankers consistently breaking the law, the expenses scandal implicating Osborne himself etc etc.

bwfc1874 wrote:In the Autumn of 2010 the UK economy was recovering from the banking crisis with the OBR revising growth figures from 1.2% to 1.8%. The the Torie cuts took hold, too many of them, too quickly and we went back in to recession. The longest recovery in 100 years thanks to austerity instead of doing anything to encourage growth the government squeezed public spending. 

They promised to move the economy away from debt and into importing and exporting, have they done that? Nope, again everybody's relying on borrowed money which could blow up again at any time.

They've missed every single one of their deficit targets, borrowing £91bn. Incidentally they branded Labours target of 71bn highly dangerous, yet they're borrowing £20bn more... and £50bn more than their own target.

More people are using food banks than every before, and just to sum up the priorities Osbourne and Cameron have they've made £80bn worth of benefit cuts, whilst bankers have received that in bonuses. Bonuses which Osbourne went to the EU to fight against a cap on. IMO they've been on the wrong side on just about every major issue that's come up during their time in office ie Syria where Cameron wanted us to go to war, or phone hacking where Cameron was a bit too close to Coulson and Brooks for my liking, the bankers consistently breaking the law, the expenses scandal implicating Osborne himself etc etc.