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91How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jan 27 2020, 14:28

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
This new 50p Brexit coin says on it " Peace and prosperity and friendship with all nations ". Just after Britain has told europe where to go, which will cause economic ruin.

92How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jan 27 2020, 14:48

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:Just after Britain has told europe where to go, which will cause economic ruin.

Boring.

93How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Jan 27 2020, 17:41

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@sunlight wrote:Just after Britain has told europe where to go, which will cause economic ruin.

Boring.
Today I received a quarterly gas bill and had my doom head on, so my appologies for overly forewarning the tribulation of the impact of the market of Flanders when we leave. I am not merchant class whom are the most aggrieved. I sorted my mood with a block of Galaxy.

94How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jan 28 2020, 01:43

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:This new 50p Brexit coin says on it " Peace and prosperity and friendship with all nations "
...reflecting the true spirit of many of those who voted to leave the community Smile I'll be stockpiling them - currently you only need two of them to buy a 4 pack of Twirls at Asda and with food prices already rising faster than inflation I'm hoping these commemorative coins will keep pace.

That said, the Royal Mint have seen the funny side of it and are allowing people to mint their own.

95How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Jan 28 2020, 09:25

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@sunlight wrote:This new 50p Brexit coin says on it " Peace and prosperity and friendship with all nations ".
Apparently they were going to mint a Brexit coin three years ago, but the people tasked to design it couldn't agree on the wording, the value or what they were going to do with the border.....


...I'll get me coat.

96How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jan 29 2020, 09:28

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
We could possibly blame JK Rowling for it. Or Piers Morgan.

97How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Jan 29 2020, 11:36

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
This Huawei thing is interesting.
Boris has OK'd their participation in the UK 5G network based on reassurances from GCHQ that they pose no threat. However our main intelligence sharing partners - France, Germany, Spain and notably the USofA are all scared shitless of Huawei and have claimed that Huawei share intelligence with the Chinese Government - and therefore would not want integrated info systems with the UK.

So with existing intelligence sharing arrangements with our European partners already being under threat because of Brexit why would Boris potentially jeopardise relationships with the USA, especially given that not only security but any trade deal we might get would be heavily dependent on information exchange?

Trump has already expressed his disappointment and has dispatched Mike Pompeo to fly to the UK to put Boris in his place so Huawei might get cut out yet, but then he would piss off the Chinese.

Currently we have a trade surplus with the USA (exporting more to them than we import) - something that Trump wants to address going forward, but we have a trade deficit with China so in theory it would be better to get in bed with the Americans as it stands.

Seems to me that Boris is playing a very risky game by getting involved in spats between the big 3 trading blocs (USA, China and the EU) at a time when he has bet the house on getting deals with all of them. If he thinks we can play them off against each other there's a very real chance they'll all take the EU approach i.e. well f*** off then.

98How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Feb 11 2020, 15:19

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Boris announces the high profile HS2 project will go ahead which will benefit regular commuters to and from London. Unsurprisingly, a benefit for the few at the expense of directing vast amounts of public money away from the needs of the many.
A "good news day" from a Tory PR perspective, which has also made it a very good day to slip in the bad news which is that proposed Tory expenditure which will be outlined in the budget and is expected to be designed to shore up the Northern vote is based on the Chancellor's projected economic growth rate of 2.8% - and today it came out that the economy had actually flatlined with ZERO growth at the end of 2019 i.e. on the verge of recession.
Obviously this will be written off as a "blip" and even if it turns out to be that, we're still a mile away from 2.8%.

99How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Feb 11 2020, 15:23

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
HS2 is a massive waste of money, what is the point? Billions and billions to make the train to London slightly faster  Rolling Eyes

The money for HS2 could be used in much better ways like improving the shambles that is Northern rail now and also for the so called Northern powerhouse they like to talk about but actually do nothing.

100How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Feb 11 2020, 17:54

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
@Norpig wrote:HS2 is a massive waste of money, what is the point? Billions and billions to make the train to London slightly faster  Rolling Eyes

The money for HS2 could be used in much better ways like improving the shambles that is Northern rail now and also for the so called Northern powerhouse they like to talk about but actually do nothing.

Totally agree Norpig.

This is a classic illustration of the sunk cost fallacy. The money is gone, wasting more money on it makes no sense.

101How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Feb 11 2020, 19:41

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Yes, and I wonder how much tickets will cost when it finally gets rolling and at what cost to wildlife. The costs involved in clearing housing and land for the rail line have been massively undercooked and caused great distress to some of the folk who've had their homes forcibly taken from them.

102How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Feb 12 2020, 01:00

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
OFCOM to get oversight of social media platforms is a potentially a great policy providing they get the power to sanction/punish offenders. I hope this happens and that our Government takes the risk of pissing off the Americans to protect innocent people and kids in particular.
We'll see.

103How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Feb 12 2020, 19:28

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

104How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Feb 12 2020, 23:03

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
How do you spend £7.5k + per person on a 2 week holiday?
That's a lot of coke Boris.

I'm sure this had nothing to the guy getting appointed when Boris was London boss.

105How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Feb 13 2020, 12:35

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Javed resigns. Something brewing.

106How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Feb 13 2020, 13:14

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:Javed resigns. Something brewing.
He was ordered to sack his advisory team so he jumped. New cabinet looks interesting.
Was just watching Politics today and they had economist Paul Klugman on whilst they were debating "is low economic growth the new norm". He made some interesting points, the main one being that public debt isn't an issue as in the UK debt interest rates are lower than inflation and therefore austerity was a complete waste of time.
Basically he's saying that it's a good thing to borrow to invest and that the UK wasted years of low growth when we could have been investing in services and infrastructure.
Also said that most major economies are stable but in the event of a crash, there's nothing left to buffer the impact - the biggest of which is climate change denial coming back to bite us in the bum. Apparently 60% of Republican Senators are climate denyers and America is making zero preparations.
He was scathing about Trump's short-termism saying that he's doing nothing to future-proof the states by simply focusing on political wins, cutting taxes and backing polluting industries.

107How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Feb 13 2020, 19:09

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
A bit late, but finally Corbyn scores a blinder past the helpless keeper whose heinous errors have led his team to an embarrassing defeat:-

JC at PMQs today, addressing Boris directly:-
"If there was a case of a young white boy with blonde hair who later dabbled in class A drugs and conspired with a friend to beat up a journalist, would he deport that boy?"


The look on Johnson's guilty face is priceless!

108How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Feb 13 2020, 19:19

sunlight

sunlight
Tony Kelly
Tony Kelly
Bojo kept Grove in the Cabinet to stick his tongue out at the working class.

109How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 15 2020, 11:28

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@boltonbonce wrote:Javed resigns. Something brewing.

He was replaced by someone more competent.

110How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 15 2020, 11:57

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:Javed resigns. Something brewing.

He was replaced by someone more competent.
Boris offered him the job, so he considered him up to scratch.

111How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 15 2020, 13:08

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@boltonbonce wrote:
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:
@boltonbonce wrote:Javed resigns. Something brewing.

He was replaced by someone more competent.
Boris offered him the job, so he considered him up to scratch.

Not really. Boris thought Javed would toe the line and do whatever he was told. Turns out Javed had a bit more about him than that....something foreign to Boris and co...a code of ethics.....

112How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 15 2020, 14:28

Guest


Guest
Incredible lack of talent in the cabinet, willing ignorance rewarded. Braverman in particular a bit of a tool.

113How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Feb 17 2020, 20:46

Guest


Guest

114How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Mon Feb 17 2020, 22:15

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha

115How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Tue Feb 18 2020, 12:49

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
This year's budget will still be announced on the 11th March despite Sunak having only been in post for a matter of days. Interesting as Chancellor's usually take months and months to work out the fine details of where they are going to tax us and spend our money. There are some clues in the article - "promises will be delivered" and that there is some suggestion that the previous incumbent resigned over issues with Dominic Cummings. It seems Sunak may have been appointed because he's a "yes man" and will go with the controversial growth estimates that underpinned Javid's proposals - including whatever else Cummings tells him to do that stuck in Javid's craw.

Despite the pre-negotiation posturing on both sides of the Brexit debate it seems that the budget proposals leaked so far are based on two enormous assumptions - Javid's massive growth forecast that economist's worldwide are still ROFLing about and a guaranteed "Canada-style" deal by the end of the year (although the Government has again softened expectations by going from "Brexit means Brexit" to "frictionless trade" to "Canada-style deal" and this week opened the possibility of an "Australian-style deal" which is in fact not a deal but an arrangement which will necessitate taxes on exports and custom checks i.e. pretty much WTO rules no deal) - and if that's how it pans out the Budget will be unfit for purpose pretty damned quick.

Not so long ago, Cummings was pumping out the phrase "exact same benefits" but now that the Government have finally accepted they'll have to make concessions, the language is changing as they continue to slide away from the original rhetoric and no doubt it will continue to change as reality bites. But for now they are sticking to their guns on "there is ZERO chance of not getting the deal done before the end of the year".
With Cummings at the helm, we can expect a fluffy budget with something for everybody: cuts to inheritance and capital gains tax, rise in the NIC threshold level, social care and housing reform, reduced pension relief for high earners and potentially some form of mansion tax, reduced student fees etc. For the wealthy, losses in cutting 40% pension relief to 20% and a mansion tax would be amply offset by cuts to CTG and inheritance tax, for the rest small gains in raising NI threshhold, reduced student fees and making housing more accessible to first timebuyers seem no more than lip service given the threat hanging over the NHS and core services and probably wouldn't do a great deal to alleviate the real and perceived wealth gap.
But more than this...would such a budget be sustainable anyway given the uncertainty around trade deals and the comedic growth forecasts that are supposed to pay for it?

116How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Wed Feb 19 2020, 16:30

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
What do you folk think about the no visas for low skilled workers thing? Would that include nurses whose pay structure starts below the salary requirement threshhold? And will British jobseekers be up for doing low  paid jobs like harvesting vegetables (which tends to be seasonal anyway) retail, hospitality work, cleaning and working in the care sector? If they are, will they be able to provide the same standard of service we currently get?

Also does anyone know how they plan to assess skills and qualifications? Would a degree from e.g. a Polish university be equally recognised?

117How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Feb 20 2020, 01:06

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
THis doesn't fill me with confidence.
I'm getting on a bit and whilst I don't need a care home just yet, I do like to think that what's left of the NHS (13% of whose staff are foreign nationals) will be around if I need it, I eat a lot of vegetables and I'm wondering where the shortfall of pickers and packers is going to come from, but my biggest concern is that I eat chicken in one form or another at least 3 days a week since going off the red meat and to be told that a massive 60% of workers in the chicken industry are EU nationals is like a dagger to my... erm... belly.
Not particularly arsed about the science and construction side of things but I'll get peevish if there's a chicken shortage. Mind you if there's no chicken it'll take Boris about a nanosecond to sign up to the American yellow stuff.

The care system, the NHS, the chicken industry...it may be a product of my cynical mind but is the Government deliberately undermining specific sectors that the Americans have mentioned they'd like a piece of?

118How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Feb 20 2020, 13:49

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
The Tory immigration plans spell trouble for adult social care.
The majority of people employed by the sector are low-paid care workers. They are responsible for providing daily help to older and disabled adults in care homes and the community.
There are already significant shortages - one in 11 posts are unfilled.
Foreign workers make up a sixth of the 840,000-strong care worker workforce in England. It is hard to see how in the future these staff could qualify.
Even if it is classed as a skilled job - and even that is in doubt, as many workers do not come via an A-level route - the pay at under £20,000 on average is too low to qualify for any points. Nor is the role classed a shortage occupation.
It seems many applicants will fall well-short of the 70 points needed.

119How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Thu Feb 20 2020, 14:24

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@okocha wrote:The Tory immigration plans spell trouble for adult social care.
The majority of people employed by the sector are low-paid care workers. They are responsible for providing daily help to older and disabled adults in care homes and the community.
There are already significant shortages - one in 11 posts are unfilled.
Foreign workers make up a sixth of the 840,000-strong care worker workforce in England. It is hard to see how in the future these staff could qualify.
Even if it is classed as a skilled job - and even that is in doubt, as many workers do not come via an A-level route - the pay at under £20,000 on average is too low to qualify for any points. Nor is the role classed a shortage occupation.
It seems many applicants will fall well-short of the 70 points needed.
Yes but what about chickengate?
To me it seems inevitable that when the workers in all the affected sectors leave either a) the Americans will be invited to step in and take even more control of our country or b) those sectors will be reclassified as shortage occupations and the workers will then be allowed to come back -unless they've found employment in a more pragmatic and reasonable country.

120How is the Tory government doing? - Page 4 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? on Sat Feb 22 2020, 08:04

Guest


Guest
It’s a national embarrassment that views such as this have been fuelled by media spin and right wing lies, it should have been nipped in the bud years ago but it suited the governing party to push blame onto migration and the EU / completely disassociate austerity with having any negative consequences.

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1230625055803133953?s=21

Extreme views like this need to be exposed, questioned and debunked. We have done a shit job in doing that for years now.

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