Boris Johnson to be our next Prime Minister?

Angry Dad wrote:

xmiles wrote:

rammywhite wrote:This whole situation worries me. We have a PM who's career to date is hallmarked by buffoonery. To me he has no gravitas and I can't take him seriously. Even his 'acceptance' speech was infantile with nonsense about 'dudes' and a lot of silly hand waving.
I can't see him persuading the other 27 EU members to take him that seriously either so the chances of a no-deal(catastrophic) Brexit have increased.
As for a GE-  that's a nightmare scenario. Both Labour  and the Tories are polling badly (at around 20%). Jo Swinsons Lib Dems and Brexit will seriously damage both the main parties votes and Scotland will revert to about 50 SNP members. So we will have a seriously hung parliament where it will need a triple alliance ( like Corbyn/Sturgeon/Swinson) to rule jointly. Or it could be  a joint alliance with Johnson/Farage and the shadow of Trump in the background tweeting away. 
Both are nightmare scenarios . The idea of the likes of Farage holding a cabinet seat, a major seat of office, is almost too hard to contemplate.
I think we are in for a very rough ride.
 Cameron should be chemically castrated for creating this chaos.

Pretty much sums up how I feel.

You lot want him to fail if he does you will be very happy if he does well you will be very unhappy, what a pathetic shower you are.

Not as pathetic as voting for something that will seriously damage this country whilst deluding yourself that you are a patriot.

xmiles wrote:

Angry Dad wrote:

xmiles wrote:

rammywhite wrote:This whole situation worries me. We have a PM who's career to date is hallmarked by buffoonery. To me he has no gravitas and I can't take him seriously. Even his 'acceptance' speech was infantile with nonsense about 'dudes' and a lot of silly hand waving.
I can't see him persuading the other 27 EU members to take him that seriously either so the chances of a no-deal(catastrophic) Brexit have increased.
As for a GE-  that's a nightmare scenario. Both Labour  and the Tories are polling badly (at around 20%). Jo Swinsons Lib Dems and Brexit will seriously damage both the main parties votes and Scotland will revert to about 50 SNP members. So we will have a seriously hung parliament where it will need a triple alliance ( like Corbyn/Sturgeon/Swinson) to rule jointly. Or it could be  a joint alliance with Johnson/Farage and the shadow of Trump in the background tweeting away. 
Both are nightmare scenarios . The idea of the likes of Farage holding a cabinet seat, a major seat of office, is almost too hard to contemplate.
I think we are in for a very rough ride.
 Cameron should be chemically castrated for creating this chaos.

Pretty much sums up how I feel.

You lot want him to fail if he does you will be very happy if he does well you will be very unhappy, what a pathetic shower you are.

Not as pathetic as voting for something that will seriously damage this country whilst deluding yourself that you are a patriot.

You are a defeatist, Europe is doomed, we are getting out before the crash, Boris will do just fine ,I am an opitimist and i am very confidant about leaving, go Boris.

The issues is AD, apart from his Brexit views you don’t know much about him or his policies - or seem to care either. He’s a single issue politician, with a history of lies, whose failed in the other major public roles he’s held.

There are plenty of good reasons to be nervous about him.

T.R.O.Y wrote:The issues is AD, apart from his Brexit views you don’t know much about him or his policies - or seem to care either. He’s a single issue politician, with a history of lies, whose failed in the other major public roles he’s held.

There are plenty of good reasons to be nervous about him.

Boris does not worry me at all, Hunt would have, i am fine with Boris if he takes us out without a deal i'm cool with that in fact i'd prefer it i don't see those euro twat's getting away with treating him like shit as they did with mayday. They are shitting themselves now and like trump he will say fuck you. My bet is they will change their tune with him.I expect to see a resounding Tory win at the next GE and Labour wiped out.There is a reason why they backed Boris it will become clear soon enough.

What a great start just what was needed.

Angry Dad wrote:What a great start just what was needed.

Yes! Hunt, Grayling and Mordaunt gone for starters! 

Whatever happens, its good to see someone with  optimism.  

For far too long we've had people, some on here as well, who have peddled nothing but doom and gloom. I often wondered if they realised that showing such a face to the outside world would do us no good, and in fact, would damage us in the longer term.
The bottom line is that our dishonest and self-promoting politicians have reneged on a perfectly legal promise to the country, and in doing so have put the country in the most difficult situation it has been in for many many decades. Self-centered and foolish as they were, some believed they knew better than their own constituents, and the majority of the public. As a result, and at all levels, this country is in a state of stagnation, and at the bargaining mercy of the EU.
Although many don't want to hear it, to get out of this ludicrous situation, we need an unconventional solution, and I believe Boris will at least try to provide this. So all you doom mongers, just give an enlightened outlook a try, and you never know, we might find a way for all of us to get out from under this mess. Good luck to Boris, there's a lot riding on him to succeed.

It has often been said that one of the UK's most successful businessmen, Richard Branson, wasn't particularly good at business, however he was extremely good at picking the right tactics, and the right team to carry them out. I believe Boris works much the same way.

gloswhite wrote:Whatever happens, its good to see someone with  optimism.  

For far too long we've had people, some on here as well, who have peddled nothing but doom and gloom. I often wondered if they realised that showing such a face to the outside world would do us no good, and in fact, would damage us in the longer term.
The bottom line is that our dishonest and self-promoting politicians have reneged on a perfectly legal promise to the country, and in doing so have put the country in the most difficult situation it has been in for many many decades. Self-centered and foolish as they were, some believed they knew better than their own constituents, and the majority of the public. As a result, and at all levels, this country is in a state of stagnation, and at the bargaining mercy of the EU.
Although many don't want to hear it, to get out of this ludicrous situation, we need an unconventional solution, and I believe Boris will at least try to provide this. So all you doom mongers, just give an enlightened outlook a try, and you never know, we might find a way for all of us to get out from under this mess. Good luck to Boris, there's a lot riding on him to succeed.

It has often been said that one of the UK's most successful businessmen, Richard Branson, wasn't particularly good at business, however he was extremely good at picking the right tactics, and the right team to carry them out. I believe Boris works much the same way.

Well said Glos!

I'm looking forward to this.

Ha optimism is all we’re left clinging to - and remainers are being blamed for the state that attempting Brexit has got us into, ridiculous.

gloswhite wrote:Whatever happens, its good to see someone with  optimism.  

For far too long we've had people, some on here as well, who have peddled nothing but doom and gloom. I often wondered if they realised that showing such a face to the outside world would do us no good, and in fact, would damage us in the longer term.
The bottom line is that our dishonest and self-promoting politicians have reneged on a perfectly legal promise to the country, and in doing so have put the country in the most difficult situation it has been in for many many decades. Self-centered and foolish as they were, some believed they knew better than their own constituents, and the majority of the public. As a result, and at all levels, this country is in a state of stagnation, and at the bargaining mercy of the EU.
Although many don't want to hear it, to get out of this ludicrous situation, we need an unconventional solution, and I believe Boris will at least try to provide this. So all you doom mongers, just give an enlightened outlook a try, and you never know, we might find a way for all of us to get out from under this mess. Good luck to Boris, there's a lot riding on him to succeed.

It has often been said that one of the UK's most successful businessmen, Richard Branson, wasn't particularly good at business, however he was extremely good at picking the right tactics, and the right team to carry them out. I believe Boris works much the same way.

It is voting leave without knowing what that meant that has caused the mess you describe and how many times does it have to be pointed out that 37% is not "the majority of the public"?

Just because Boris thinks he can walk on water doesn't mean he can no matter how optimistic he is. Given his track record of serial dishonesty I am surprised you believe in him. He even lies when he doesn't need to. Why lie about kippers when he was already certain to win the Tory leadership vote? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/18/boris-johnson-claims-about-kippers-fishy-brussels-says

T.R.O.Y wrote:Ha optimism is all we’re left clinging to - and remainers are being blamed for the state that attempting Brexit has got us into, ridiculous.

100% correct. Remainers are at fault. Although I have to say, as the Leavers didn't expect to win the referendum, they were disorganised initially, which led to some very strange comments, and views, being made.
You have/had the right to complain, etc, but to do it in such a vitriolic and dishonest way, wasn't good for you or your cause. Lets not forget the scaremongering and insults throughout the campaign, along with the manipulation of laws, (some as old as 300(?) years), and in the case of some politicians, Blair for example, siding with the EU leaders, to actively coach them in how parliament would behave.
The sad thing is that the self-centered idiots in Parliament still cannot see what damage they have done. or can still do.
I have always believed that it is better to make a decision, right or wrong, than make none at all. If wrong, it can be corrected, if right, the plan is working.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Whatever happens, its good to see someone with  optimism.  

For far too long we've had people, some on here as well, who have peddled nothing but doom and gloom. I often wondered if they realised that showing such a face to the outside world would do us no good, and in fact, would damage us in the longer term.
The bottom line is that our dishonest and self-promoting politicians have reneged on a perfectly legal promise to the country, and in doing so have put the country in the most difficult situation it has been in for many many decades. Self-centered and foolish as they were, some believed they knew better than their own constituents, and the majority of the public. As a result, and at all levels, this country is in a state of stagnation, and at the bargaining mercy of the EU.
Although many don't want to hear it, to get out of this ludicrous situation, we need an unconventional solution, and I believe Boris will at least try to provide this. So all you doom mongers, just give an enlightened outlook a try, and you never know, we might find a way for all of us to get out from under this mess. Good luck to Boris, there's a lot riding on him to succeed.

It has often been said that one of the UK's most successful businessmen, Richard Branson, wasn't particularly good at business, however he was extremely good at picking the right tactics, and the right team to carry them out. I believe Boris works much the same way.

It is voting leave without knowing what that meant that has caused the mess you describe and how many times does it have to be pointed out that 37% is not "the majority of the public"?

Just because Boris thinks he can walk on water doesn't mean he can no matter how optimistic he is. Given his track record of serial dishonesty I am surprised you believe in him. He even lies when he doesn't need to. Why lie about kippers when he was already certain to win the Tory leadership vote? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/18/boris-johnson-claims-about-kippers-fishy-brussels-says

XM, you're doing it again. Grabbing hold of insignificant facts and trying to make them appear important. I doubt anyone, or very few at least, know or care about the 37%. Its done, gone, and best forgotten. Emotive comments such as Boris walking on water don't help either.
I understand your frustration, especially as you so obviously believe in what you say, but don't you think we've reached another very important point in the process, where we now have to see where this Parliament takes us, and rather than refusing everything likely to come out of it, actually consider possible outcomes, and seeing what can be made of them, for the benefit of all ?

As and aside, I don't have complete faith in Boris by any means, but at least he's trying to get a result, and in the meantime, keeping Parliaments promise to the people.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Whatever happens, its good to see someone with  optimism.  

For far too long we've had people, some on here as well, who have peddled nothing but doom and gloom. I often wondered if they realised that showing such a face to the outside world would do us no good, and in fact, would damage us in the longer term.
The bottom line is that our dishonest and self-promoting politicians have reneged on a perfectly legal promise to the country, and in doing so have put the country in the most difficult situation it has been in for many many decades. Self-centered and foolish as they were, some believed they knew better than their own constituents, and the majority of the public. As a result, and at all levels, this country is in a state of stagnation, and at the bargaining mercy of the EU.
Although many don't want to hear it, to get out of this ludicrous situation, we need an unconventional solution, and I believe Boris will at least try to provide this. So all you doom mongers, just give an enlightened outlook a try, and you never know, we might find a way for all of us to get out from under this mess. Good luck to Boris, there's a lot riding on him to succeed.

It has often been said that one of the UK's most successful businessmen, Richard Branson, wasn't particularly good at business, however he was extremely good at picking the right tactics, and the right team to carry them out. I believe Boris works much the same way.

It is voting leave without knowing what that meant that has caused the mess you describe and how many times does it have to be pointed out that 37% is not "the majority of the public"?

Just because Boris thinks he can walk on water doesn't mean he can no matter how optimistic he is. Given his track record of serial dishonesty I am surprised you believe in him. He even lies when he doesn't need to. Why lie about kippers when he was already certain to win the Tory leadership vote? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/18/boris-johnson-claims-about-kippers-fishy-brussels-says

XM, you're doing it again. Grabbing hold of insignificant facts and trying to make them appear important. I doubt anyone, or very few at least, know or care about the 37%. Its done, gone, and best forgotten. Emotive comments such as Boris walking on water don't help either.
I understand your frustration, especially as you so obviously believe in what you say, but don't you think we've reached another very important point in the process, where we now have to see where this Parliament takes us, and rather than refusing everything likely to come out of it, actually consider possible outcomes, and seeing what can be made of them, for the benefit of all ?

It is not an insignificant fact that only a minority of the population voted for brexit. It is a clear contradiction of your claim that "the majority of the public" want brexit.

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:Ha optimism is all we’re left clinging to - and remainers are being blamed for the state that attempting Brexit has got us into, ridiculous.

100% correct. Remainers are at fault.
I have always believed that it is better to make a decision, right or wrong, than make none at all. If wrong, it can be corrected, if right, the plan is working.

"100% correct. Remainers are at fault." Are you serious or are you being ironic?

Like you I believe it is important to be decisive provided wrong decisions can be corrected but leaving the EU is not a decision that can be easily reversed. What most brexiteers fail to understand is that we have many concessions and opt outs that would not be available to us if we re-applied to join, for example a large rebate on our contributions and retaining the pound sterling.

How is optimism, or positivity going to solve the Irish backstop issue?

Laughable to claim remainers got us into this mess, it’s leavers fantasies and only that. Take some responsibility, don’t deflect.

I believe that immediately after the referendum the Leavers actually thought they had won, and there was very little they had to do other than tidy up the loose ends. How wrong they were ! However, in the vacuum, the Remainers stepped, moaning, arguing, betraying promises, and generally making a dogs dinner of any and every attempt to reach some sort of agreement. Of course the Leavers were slow to the party, and when they joined, things got worse. They were not only trying to defend or express sometimes poorly put arguments, but were reeling from personal abuse and character assassinations by the Remainers. A very difficult uphill slog. Both sides polarised very quickly, becoming entrenched in their own personal views and remedies, with no room for compromise. Every politician had their own view, and nobody would alter it. 
Although a lot of the current situation still remains, we now have an opportunity to change it. I only hope Parliament is allowed at least a chance at this, without being stifled by those remainers who know what they don't want, have no idea on how to fix this stalemate, and are not prepared to do anythng other than go against the referendum, and bend the knee to Europe.

gloswhite wrote:I believe that immediately after the referendum the Leavers actually thought they had won, and there was very little they had to do other than tidy up the loose ends. How wrong they were ! However, in the vacuum, the Remainers stepped, moaning, arguing, betraying promises, and generally making a dogs dinner of any and every attempt to reach some sort of agreement. Of course the Leavers were slow to the party, and when they joined, things got worse. They were not only trying to defend or express sometimes poorly put arguments, but were reeling from personal abuse and character assassinations by the Remainers. A very difficult uphill slog. Both sides polarised very quickly, becoming entrenched in their own personal views and remedies, with no room for compromise. Every politician had their own view, and nobody would alter it. 
Although a lot of the current situation still remains, we now have an opportunity to change it. I only hope Parliament is allowed at least a chance at this, without being stifled by those remainers who know what they don't want, have no idea on how to fix this stalemate, and are not prepared to do anythng other than go against the referendum, and bend the knee to Europe.

Using a phrase like "bend the knee to Europe" is so ridiculous. Remainers are not bending their knees by wanting to continue to enjoy the benefits of remaining in the EU. Whilst we are members we are in no way subservient to the EU. This has been pointed out many times. You appear to prefer the lies spouted by Boris rather than the evidence (for example his recent lies about kippers).

And you have the gall to accuse me of "making emotive comments"!

There’s only been one agreement on offer - May’s deal. Are you honestly suggesting remainers alone ruined that Glos?