How is the Tory Government Doing?

wessy wrote:Sluffy: That isn't unbiased and reasoned analysis from him, that's the rantings and ravings of an angry, hateful and utter obsessed looney - and it really is time for it to stop on here.

One day the penny will drop, he's talking to himself again in that mirror. He really means he wants it to stop as long as it's Lusty who caves.

Sluffy wrote:



Please give examples of ANY corruption of ANY Conservative MP that has led to a prosecution/imprisonment.

…or a confession of guilt given the impotence of the legal system

It should be easy as you bang on about such corruption daily.

wanderlust wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

Please give examples of ANY corruption of ANY Conservative MP that has led to a prosecution/imprisonment.

…or a confession of guilt given the impotence of the legal system

It should be easy as you bang on about such corruption daily.

Paterson paid lobbying
Elphicke 2 years prison for sexual assault
Johnson accepting bribes (twice)
Griffiths rape
Warburton sexual assault and drug abuse
Khan rape of a minor
As yet unnamed Tory mp rape

…and that’s just a few that have been caught so far.

Sluffy wrote: Ok then, let us make it simple, the Conservative government has been in power for 12 years.

Please give examples of ANY corruption of ANY Conservative MP that has led to a prosecution/imprisonment.

It should be easy as you bang on about such corruption daily.

Go on then...

Sluffy wrote:

Please give examples of ANY corruption of ANY Conservative MP that has led to a prosecution/imprisonment.

…or a confession of guilt given the impotence of the legal system

It should be easy as you bang on about such corruption daily.

Whitesince63 wrote:Sluffy, whilst I do agree with you on Lusty, I do wish he would drop the myopic Tory view but I disagree with you on both Truss and the mini budget solely being responsible for the damage caused. For a start, I 100% agree with what she’s attempting (badly) to achieve and further, I actually believe that the vast majority of the public would too if only it had been explained correctly. The energy cap, NI rise cancellation and Corporation Tax level had been well flagged beforehand and weren’t an issue. Where they went wrong in my opinion was in removing the 45% tax rate and bringing forward the Income Tax reduction without a clear explanation first of how they would pay for it without borrowing. This was exacerbated by the abysmal, performance of the BofE to react much earlier to interest rate rises, which both the US and others had recognised was necessary and applied and the comments that they were selling the bonds purchased through Quantitive Easing. The timing of both of those was what spooked the market and the further recent comments from them about this Friday make things even worse and prove not the governments alone but also their incompetence.

As I say, I’m fully behind what Liz is trying to do and so should all Tory’s and right minded people but the way it’s been done and been delivered is appalling, I do agree. Surely, if you were going to make such drastic changes, which we always knew she intended, the budget should have been accompanied by both a statement as to the reasons for it and it’s advantages to the ordinary person in the street, however tough it might feel and also exactly how it would be paid for, including any borrowing. Had this been done the panic could have been avoided. We are not alone in having to make tough decisions but other governments by and large did explain around them and it was our failure to do so which resulted in the lack of confidence which arose.

Nobody can dismiss the costly and negative effects of the Covic Pandemic and the Ukraine war, especially coming on top of Brexit, so any government would have had serious issues to deal with. In fairness to Truss, she only has two years to effect her changes and so there was no time to delay and apply later. I can’t argue that it was rushed through without proper thought and that several of the cuts were unnecessary, nor do I think she is the most charismatic politician to carry them out but we are where we are and backtracking on them now would be a disaster. In fact I’m coming round to the thought that now would actually be the best time for the Tory’s to call for an election because I don’t see any way, whoever was Tory PM, that things can be corrected within the time left. As hard and destructive as it may be, I’d be inclined to give Labour the opportunity to prove just how completely incompetent they are and at least guarantee a Tory return afterwards when we can start rebuilding for another 15 to 20 year reign once the young who have never experienced a Labour government finally realise the error of their ways!!

Norpig wrote:I could never understand why the Tories picked Dizzy Lizzy over Sunak and it looks like are seeing the error in their ways already. She'll be lucky to still be PM by the end of the month at this rate.

Whitesince63 wrote:I think the main problem Lusty is that the Tory party hasn’t been a Conservative party since Maggie was ousted and certainly not for the last decade and more. I’m afraid to say that it has moved rapidly to the left until it’s unrecognisable from the Labour Party of old. I don’t accept your description of the party as moving to the far right, just back to Conservative principles but it’s been so long since we saw any of those, it’s perhaps understandable to think like that. If you really look at what Truss is attempting to do, it’s basically what most voters want, low taxes, successful growing businesses creating solid well paid jobs. Essential services like the police and NHS working efficiently and immigration which works for the UK and not abused by people traffickers and financial migrants. Now if you ask me do I think they’re making a good job of it, or do I think Liz is the ideal PM to deliver it, then no I don’t on both counts. 

I’m disappointed with the Tory MPs who are attacking her but they are the same ones who have hunted Boris down as the deliverer of Brexit and ultimately they are going to destroy what she’s trying to do. I can’t see a successful outcome and so maybe now should be the time to call an election. In order to implement the policies necessary to get the country out of a hole, the government needs a mandate and I’m afraid at the moment the party doesn’t have one. Following the Pandemic and now the Ukraine war the future is uncertain and I’d rather give the problem to Labour for them to show exactly why they should never be anywhere near government. Who knows, they may surprise everyone and do well but it’s unlikely and at least they will get the blame for failure ensuring we’ll only suffer them for one term by which time the Tory Party can recover and find a more acceptable leader.

Cajunboy wrote:Hunt seems to be fancied, not sure why.