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661How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Mon Sep 11 2023, 16:05

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

boltonbonce wrote:
It doesn't really matter about the content for some people. If the presenter is deemed to be 'one of them' , they'll get it into their head that the whole programme is slewed in a certain way, to project the presenters perceived agenda.
Fry is, according to 63, 'a self righteous idiot'.
Clearly, the only way for Fry to become a National Treasure, is to agree with 63.
Sadly, that's how it works across the board.
I've disagreed with Sluffy here and there, but he's right in saying that what you can't dispute are facts. Hard though that sometimes is.
Believe me, I've tried. Hiding under the duvet until an inconvenient fact passes by has never worked. I've had to face it in the end.
Take the blinkers off 63, it's liberating. You see the oddest things. 

I don’t wear blinkers Bonce and if you consider Sluffys points “facts” that’s fine, you believe them but please leave others to believe differently. As for Fry, I find him a horrible, condescending individual for whom I have no time whatsoever and certainly don’t consider him a national treasure. Sadly I find it no surprise that nuts has fewer and fewer posters because it’s more and more becoming the case that unless you agree with the consensus on here you’re some kind of denier or evader of truth as long as like Harry it’s your truth. 

As for GB News, the fastest growing media channel in the country by the way and the only place you actually get a balanced view of things with both for and against contributors on all subjects, I find it far more in tune with the wider population than any of the so called “major” media channels. Scoff if you like but I’m just one of the many who are tuning in for the truth rather than the slanted, selective stuff offered by the fast declining others.

662How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Mon Sep 11 2023, 16:45

Sluffy

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They ARE facts though!!!

You are totally bonkers if you believe May and Major were more dishonest than Boris - Christ you must be totally brainwashed to think that.

And being in the biggest 'gang' means nothing if they are all as ignorant of the facts as you seem to be.

Fwiw have you ever seen the Russian News channels - they have for and against contributors too - thing is it is all staged and the message is what Putin wants feeding to the gullible out there like you.

How many people believed Anderson was financially raping the club, how many still believe the PPE awards were made illegally and to Tory cronies, and nearly everyone believed the Earth was flat once upon a time!

The forum is dead because it's not fun anymore and hasn't been since the hatred posted on here over Brexit, Ken Anderson and the Tory Party and all the endless lies Wanderlust posted due to his obsession over of all the three of them.

Finally, I'm not sure if you mean I'm like Harry or you are but either way he's not been telling the truth, it was proved he was lying on the Oprah interview for instance. He's just another who lives in the past with a big chip on his shoulder and no doubt has been manipulated by others.

(I notice Meghan has not turned up by his side for the current Invictus games - seeing it's the biggest personal achievement he's ever done you think she would be there to support him, wouldn't you?)

663How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Mon Sep 11 2023, 18:48

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Sluffy wrote:They ARE facts though!!!

You are totally bonkers if you believe May and Major were more dishonest than Boris - Christ you must be totally brainwashed to think that.

And being in the biggest 'gang' means nothing if they are all as ignorant of the facts as you seem to be.

Fwiw have you ever seen the Russian News channels - they have for and against contributors too - thing is it is all staged and the message is what Putin wants feeding to the gullible out there like you.

How many people believed Anderson was financially raping the club, how many still believe the PPE awards were made illegally and to Tory cronies, and nearly everyone believed the Earth was flat once upon a time!

The forum is dead because it's not fun anymore and hasn't been since the hatred posted on here over Brexit, Ken Anderson and the Tory Party and all the endless lies Wanderlust posted due to his obsession over of all the three of them.

Finally, I'm not sure if you mean I'm like Harry or you are but either way he's not been telling the truth, it was proved he was lying on the Oprah interview for instance.  He's just another who lives in the past with a big chip on his shoulder and no doubt has been manipulated by others.

(I notice Meghan has not turned up by his side for the current Invictus games - seeing it's the biggest personal achievement he's ever done you think she would be there to support him, wouldn't you?)

Sluffy, I’m not saying that either Boris or Truss were paragons of virtue, they both failed, Boris through his untruths as you say and Truss for being naive and unrealistic in her policies. Boris at least achieved what the biggest vote in British history asked him to which was Brexit. After that I wouldn’t defend him an inch. Truss had policies I and the majority of Tories actually agreed with but she applied them so appallingly it was indefensible.

Major’s contemptible act in using the Maastrict treaty vote as a confidence vote was despicable and led to all the problems we later suffered through the sovereignty we effectively gave away to Brussels. He should never be forgiven for that and Traitor May totally capitulated over Brexit negotiations because she never really believed in leaving in the first place. She also tied us to a horrendous legal position on net zero plus a totally damaging law on immigration which leaves lawyers with every possible leeway to defend illegal financial migrants and you try to defend both of them. Sluffy you’re a complete joke mate.

664How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 01:33

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Whitesince63 wrote:Sluffy, I’m not saying that either Boris or Truss were paragons of virtue, they both failed, Boris through his untruths as you say and Truss for being naive and unrealistic in her policies. Boris at least achieved what the biggest vote in British history asked him to which was Brexit. After that I wouldn’t defend him an inch. Truss had policies I and the majority of Tories actually agreed with but she applied them so appallingly it was indefensible.

Major’s contemptible act in using the Maastrict treaty vote as a confidence vote was despicable and led to all the problems we later suffered through the sovereignty we effectively gave away to Brussels. He should never be forgiven for that and Traitor May totally capitulated over Brexit negotiations because she never really believed in leaving in the first place. She also tied us to a horrendous legal position on net zero plus a totally damaging law on immigration which leaves lawyers with every possible leeway to defend illegal financial migrants and you try to defend both of them. Sluffy you’re a complete joke mate.

Sluffy wrote:I simply can't understand why anyone would not want to find out the truth for themselves but rather believe some utter bullshit simply because they are stupid enough to believe what they read on social media or because something or someone pissed on their chips 40 or 50 years ago and they can never forgive them - ever!

My view fwiw, is that people simply don't live in the present, they live in the past, and judge from how they felt back then.

They make no allowance that things have moved on - and no understanding that things can and do change over time - it was inconceivable that anyone would lie to Parliament without suffering the consequences. let alone a Prime Minister and sticking two fingers up to it as well!

Values and boundaries change but if you are stuck in the past you are left behind and not comprehending how things now are, how people now are - and that it is you who is out of step - not they out of step with you.

Not everything was better in the past but similarly not everything has changed for the worse today.

Even if it has, you can't do anything about it (See, Wanderlusts never ending hatred of Brexit).

You've got to let things go or get eaten up by them inside your head.

See you prove my point perfectly.

Major and Maastricht was 30 years ago and you still live in THAT moment now - you haven't moved on from it, you still 'judge' things using that as your measure!

It's a bit like saying I hate all Germans still because they bombed my local chippy in 1942 - things have moved on, things have changed, the measure from which you use is no longer relevant to how things now are - the world as evolved - but your views haven't - you are stuck in the past and judge on that basis.

I don't actually see what was so bad at the time or looking back now in retrospect, the Government lost a key vote to ratify EU development, which in simple terms meant unless they got it through Parliament, then they had to in effect bail out of the EU.

Something had to give.

The only option was to make it a vote of confidence in the government in which if Major's government won, they continued with being in the EU or if they lost, there was a general election basically on the one issue (that at the time the electorate was in favour of remaining in the EU - remember the issue in Parliament wasn't about Maastricht per se, it was simply over the 'Social Policy' element contained within it, which the Tory Party didn't want to sign up to but the Labour Party did.

IF Major had lost the vote, we would still have been in the EU under Maastricht because if the Tory Party had won the resulting General Election they would have had a mandate to proceed as they had intended to, and if Labour won they would simply vote for Maastricht but include within in it the 'Social Policy' element as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_vote_of_confidence_in_the_Major_ministry#:~:text=At%20Maastricht%2C%20John%20Major%20had,the%20treaty%20as%20a%20whole.

As for May, she simply played her hand badly - see the BBC documentary I've flagged up above.  She should have formed her government such that she had ultimate power in it, then gone to the country on a single issue in order to have a mandate to be strong to deal with the EU in achieving Brexit with the best possible terms for the UK.

Neither Major and May had been 'duplicitous' they had simply played politics, Major standard book stuff even, he lost a key vote and said back me or sack me, and May was clearly out of her depth as PM and played her hand badly - but she wasn't deceitful as you claimed.

Boris most certainly was and Truss was just utterly bonkers and believed her ideology mantra that simply doesn't work (Trickle down economic theory).

No country in the world operates it - don't you think they would if it did by now?

And fwiw if you looked back over what I have posted I never claimed she was duplicitous, she wasn't, she was simply utterly consumed by right wing extremist Libertarian ideology (which you have somehow bought into as well).

I might well be a complete joke 63 but I know my facts and I'm not blinded by propaganda or prejudiced by long standing political bias.

You are and that's why you are unable to see the world as it actually is now - you view it against how you want it to be and the difference fuels your anger and disappointment.

That's what you share in common with Wanderlust and why you probably see him as a kindred spirit (although he is a socialist supporter rather than Tory like you).

Neither one of you will ever be satisfied because the world has moved on and your political views are rooted firmly in the past that will never now be achieved because those doors have long since closed to what could have been.

You (and Wanderlust) are simply stranded in the past and always will be.

The world has moved on and left you both far behind.

665How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 08:00

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:Laura Kuenssberg: State of Chaos - What really happened from the people who were there.

Watch and learn.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001qgwt/laura-kuenssberg-state-of-chaos-series-1-1-mayjohnson

It was very interesting, next weeks promises to be even better, Cummings and BoJo riding roughshod over the law  Very Happy

666How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 11:12

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Like I said Sluffy, no point carrying on a conversation with you because you’ll never accept that your facts aren’t right even when they’re not facts but your own perception.

667How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 11:28

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:Like I said Sluffy, no point carrying on a conversation with you because you’ll never accept that your facts aren’t right even when they’re not facts but your own perception.
Maybe your 'facts' are different, 63.

Alternative facts have been called many things: falsehoods, untruths, delusions. A fact is something that actually exists—what we would call “reality” or “truth.” An alternative is one of the choices in a set of given options; typically the options are opposites of each other. So to talk about alternative facts is to talk about the opposite of reality (which is delusion), or the opposite of truth (which is untruth).

668How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 11:29

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy, your task for today is to post a message that doesn't mention wanderlust.

669How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 11:38

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:Sluffy, your task for today is to post a message that doesn't mention wanderlust.

Very Happy

670How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 12:44

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Natasha Whittam wrote:Sluffy, your task for today is to post a message that doesn't mention wanderlust.

Wanderlust is an example that I use that everybody on here can understand,

He typifies how people misuse and abuse social media and underlines how people behave in ways to hide the truth and convince others of his own misconceptions and biases.

He is a real person, posting mostly false information on the internet for others to believe, which most do, because it is what they want to believe themselves and because they are all wanting to believe the same things, attack those who tell them the real truth, which they dismiss out of hand - Anderson did not rape the club financially for his own gain, PPE contracts were awarded honestly, not everything the Tory Party does is always wrong, etc, etc.

If you like all this is a lesson in behavioural science, how people are manipulated via social media into believing other people's agendas - get Anderson out of the club, Tory Party sleaze and corruption, every Tory policy is wrong, etc, etc.

People lie.

Wanderlust lied.

Nobody believed the truth when it was told to them, with links provided so they could see for themselves.

That is how it is.

Bonce now understands what I've been saying all along.

W63 never will.

671How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 12:47

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:Wanderlust is an example that I use that everybody on here can understand

You had one job today, just one.

And you failed after one word.

672How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 13:03

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

Natasha Whittam wrote:
Sluffy wrote:Wanderlust is an example that I use that everybody on here can understand

You had one job today, just one.

And you failed after one word.

I didn't except your challenge but I did give you the reason why I use him as an example so often on here so people can see for themselves the point I'm making about how people use social media to lie to and manipulate others into believing false and fake news for their own purposes.

Truss economics would have worked if she had only introduced slowly rather than all at once - is one lie that someone on here believes implicitly for example.

673How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 13:22

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:

I didn't except your challenge but I did give you the reason why I use him as an example so often on here so people can see for themselves the point I'm making about how people use social media to lie to and manipulate others into believing false and fake news for their own purposes.

Truss economics would have worked if she had only introduced slowly rather than all at once - is one lie that someone on here believes implicitly for example.
Depressing thing is, it's getting worse, what with AI and all its technological brethren.
I sometimes wonder if my fellow Nutters are real. Surely I can't be the only well rounded individual around here.

674How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 14:52

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

boltonbonce wrote:
Sluffy wrote:

I didn't except your challenge but I did give you the reason why I use him as an example so often on here so people can see for themselves the point I'm making about how people use social media to lie to and manipulate others into believing false and fake news for their own purposes.

Truss economics would have worked if she had only introduced slowly rather than all at once - is one lie that someone on here believes implicitly for example.
Depressing thing is, it's getting worse, what with AI and all its technological brethren.
I sometimes wonder if my fellow Nutters are real. Surely I can't be the only well rounded individual around here.

There as always been propaganda Bonce, the Egyptians were using it with their big statues advertising the fact that people should fear them because of how they demonstrate their immense power in being able to build stuff like this in the first place.

Also gives me a chance to post up one of my favourite poems too (although written about 2,000 years later)

Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

Percy Bysshe Shelley


And yes it has gone exponentially worse these days, people are targeted and elections effected -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal

It was used to help Trump beat Hilary Clinton, the Brexit NHS bus was a lie...

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There's millions even billions of people of people simply believing what they are told - in countries such as Russia and China, by the state itself, and in the west by manipulation of media (we all know the Mirror is Labour, the Mail, Tory for example) and more greatly these days by social media and the Confirmation Bias groupings people clearly follow like Wanderlust (yes I mention him again), Hip Priest (the random from Scunthorpe he believed!) and W63 who his in denial of even simple facts (he must see them as some conspiracy against his views in some way I guess?).

People even believe random nutjobs like QAnon, lizard like paedophiles, ruling the planet which only Trump can save us from...

Really???

All the conspiracy over Covid, the jabs are meant to somehow control us or give us Cancer or something, burning down the newest mobile phone masts, and other such bollocks.

How the fuck are people so stupid to believe such shite???

One of my neighbours did, probably still does!

Ok we are only small beer on here but even still we have serial nutjobs like Wanderlust (yes yet again) spouting bollocks, telling lies when he is given the facts to disprove him, then claiming I'm stopping him from having opinions - err no, I'm trying to stop your hatred and your fake news that you've not bothered to check before you regurgitated it on here, and now trying not to admit you were wrong about.

We have Hip Priest who still believes the PPE awards were fraudulent despite a mountain of Inquires, judicial reviews to the contrary and zero evidence to back up HP's believes in the three years since the awards were made!!!

We have W63 who believes 'alternate facts' (lies in other words) rather than the real facts I constantly put under his nose - which he chooses to be in denial of.

We now have Bob who seems to believe 11,000 people (or 1 person 11,000 times) are really reading the thread on the Administrators action on striking down £7.5m security of both EDT and KA rather than understand that this isn't how forums work these days and most of the views are from automated monitoring bots (public ones like Google) and non public ones from sources who want to see but not be seen themselves.

At the end of the day it all means nothing, Wanderlust will still post up fake news and spew his bile elsewhere, HP will always be convinced there was a vast cover up about the billions Tory cronies received from PPE awards, W63 will believe his 'facts' and 'experts' (and GB News) rather than the real ones and Bob will no doubt believe he's got his message to 11,000 viewers rather than say 1,000 viewers and 10,000 bots.

I just enjoy simply trying to open a few peoples eyes to how the world (and social media) really works these days and how people are played by it and manipulated into the way they act.

Am I wasting my breath - almost certainly but it amuses me and helps pass my time and gives me the best laughs I get these days...  Major and May were more deceitful than Boris, the man who lied more than Wanderlust did on here!!!

Brilliant!

675How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 15:02

Ten Bobsworth


Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

If you want to believe things must be true when it is abundantly plain they are not, its up to you Sluffy, but please don't distort or misrepresent anything I post, if you don't mind.

676How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 15:39

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Ten Bobsworth wrote:If you want to believe things must be true when it is abundantly plain they are not, its up to you Sluffy, but please don't distort or misrepresent anything I post, if you don't mind.

And also me for that matter.

Thank you very much!

677How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 16:28

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

karlypants wrote:
Ten Bobsworth wrote:If you want to believe things must be true when it is abundantly plain they are not, its up to you Sluffy, but please don't distort or misrepresent anything I post, if you don't mind.

And also me for that matter.

Thank you very much!

What is it that you believe I am distorting or misrepresenting?

Fwiw we currently have 4 'visitors' that have been logged on since Saturday

Guest Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:30 am Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:00 pm Viewing the forum index 54.36.148.8
Guest Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:23 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:58 pm Viewing the forum index 168.119.65.107
Guest Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:23 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:58 pm Viewing the forum index 54.36.149.39
Guest Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:23 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:58 pm Viewing the forum index 168.119.68.252

2 from Sunday

Guest Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:12 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:59 pm Viewing the forum index 195.154.122.132
Guest Sun Sep 10, 2023 8:08 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:55 pm Viewing the forum index 195.154.123.63


and 7 from yesterday

Guest Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:04 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:00 pm Viewing the forum index 17.241.227.54
Guest Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:17 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:55 pm Viewing the forum index 17.241.75.201
Guest Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:30 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:55 pm Wandering Minds 144.76.23.39
Guest Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:00 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:52 pm Viewing the forum index 17.241.219.56
Guest Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:55 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:48 pm Viewing the forum index 111.225.149.149
Guest Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:33 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:45 pm Viewing the forum index 110.249.202.182
Guest Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:10 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:29 pm Viewing the forum index 111.225.148.133

And the Qwant bot is a FRENCH search bot

Qwant Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:45 pm Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:45 pm Viewing the forum index 185.191.171.18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwant

This is just normal viewing data on here

The ip addresses above (if they are even genuine) show these 'guests' are from places such as China, USA, France and Germany.

I doubt very much we really do have real people refreshing each and every hour to visit our site, night and day for over 24 hours and more, do you?

I've not distorted or misrepresented a single thing as far as I'm aware, I was simply trying to explain to you how the 'views' numbers are actually accumulated.

If you don't wish to believe me, then that's entirely up to you.

678How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 17:25

Ten Bobsworth


Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

It may be the case that you don't quite recognise when you have distorted or misrepresented something, Sluffy. That's not at all uncommon but I don't really want to waste time on chapter and verse.

Are you now inferring that the numbers of views may be substantially distorted by guests that go online and stay on line for more than a day? 

I have no idea how that kind of activity would affect the numbers of thread views but I would have thought not very much. In any case, there are presently over 50 guests online and you have accounted for only 13 and 12 of those seem to be stuck on the index. 

I expect that there are some real people that log on to Nuts to see if there is anything that might be of interest and, if there is, they'll view the thread.

679How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 18:21

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

Ten Bobsworth wrote:It may be the case that you don't quite recognise when you have distorted or misrepresented something, Sluffy. That's not at all uncommon but I don't really want to waste time on chapter and verse.

Are you now inferring that the numbers of views may be substantially distorted by guests that go online and stay on line for more than a day? 

I have no idea how that kind of activity would affect the numbers of thread views but I would have thought not very much. In any case, there are presently over 50 guests online and you have accounted for only 13 and 12 of those seem to be stuck on the index. 

I expect that there are some real people that log on to Nuts to see if there is anything that might be of interest and, if there is, they'll view the thread.

I don't know how the system works but clearly on this site and no doubt every other ones as well. there are automated systems scanning the site for all manner of legitimate purposes, retrieval in the case of search engines like Google, surveillance from types of government bodies, advertisement monitoring most probably and various other reasons too no doubt.

As you say there are a number of other visitors on the site - some random ip address being

54.38.85.36 - France
65.108.110.26 - USA
185.191.171.18 - Moldova
5.255.231.140 - Russia
17.241.75.201 - another USA
144.76.23.39 - Germany
198.235.24.93 - Canada
3.71.7.96 - USA again
54.39.177.173 - Canada again - but note how similar the ip address is to France above?
195.123.212.169 - Latvia

I could go on but what's the point?

There are of course real people who do visit the site, maybe even several from abroad too but we simply don't generate enough interest from the few genuine posters we do have to post much at all on any given day and if you truly believe that an extremely niche interest discussion on what the Administrator did (rightly or wrongly) some THREE YEARS ago that 99.9% of people simply couldn't give a fuck about attracted 11,000 genuine views from real life people then I think you are only deluding yourself.

Even I didn't find it that interesting and was only partaking out of a respect for you and how you've helped me in the past - I even said as much on the thread several times that it was all history and everybody who were involved at the time had long since left the scene ruled a line under it and moved on with their lives!

Fair enough, I can see that this and other issues you care very much about and you clearly don't want things to be forgotten but the reality is that most people simply don't care and even the few of us like me for instance who have tried to understand things have difficulty grasping the complexities of what really had gone on and why.

I'm sorry if I'm raining on your parade by somehow revealing to you that there really isn't thousands of people tuning in to what you want them to hear - but the truth is that there really are not.

Up to you of course if you believe I'm totally wrong, not got my thinking head on, or misrepresenting or distorting stuff but honestly 11,000 real people have simply not read the thread.

I don't know what else to say.

Believe whatever you want.

680How is the Tory Government Doing? - Page 34 Empty Re: How is the Tory Government Doing? Tue Sep 12 2023, 19:27

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Finland not very well represented.

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